MRod Air P12 Update thread
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Not a problem yellowyak.
We already make similar parts.
Just lather, rinse, repeat.
Thanks for the update. How’s the custom part coming along? I’m interested in the shroud cause I need this sucker quiet.
Hey guys,
Michael Esch from Mrodair.
Just thought I would post an update.
Our shipment is being sent a little earlier than we thought.
SPA is telling us, they will ship much closer to the 1st of April
(Just 2 weeks) WOO HOO
sorry bout that, just got excited
Anyway, was also wondering if anyone would be interested in any other SPA goodies ? :fishing:
They are releasing a really nice looking pcp long rifle, the M-10.
This bad boy.
It comes in .22 cal, and was spotted at the IWA in Germany by Ted.
You can read his comments here,
http://tedsholdover.com/2014/03/12/iwa-show-2014/
Not quit as pricey as the P-12, and looks like a winner.
If it shoots anything like the P-12, it will be.
Just a few specs from the factory
Model M-10
Pre charged air rifle
24″ barrel
.22 cal
1000 fps
European Hardwood stock
7.26 pounds
250cc air tube
44.88 inches long
Huge dust collector attachment
There are a few you tube vids, but only in Spanish so far.
Might try to get a few if there is any interest.
Looks like a prime candidate for a big bore too.
Anyways
The big news is, the P-12 is shipping out a little early.
I can hardly wait.
Any long winded questions, just hit me up on our website.
Thanks Guys.
Looks like there has been some confusion, about the new SPA P-12 we are importing.
Just thought I would comment here, and set the record straight.
Some would like you to believe that we are offering a substandard product, and are going to charge you
for fixing them.
NOT TRUE
Other counties have started receiving the P-12, and it has been getting pretty decent reviews, however
there seems to be a common thread. “o rings”
The primary issue some other countries were having was the breech, and/or transfer port o rings leaking.
The manufacturer has assured us, they have addressed this issue
However,
We already have 100 complete sets of o rings in house, and will be checking the P-12 out very carefully
BEOFRE we ship them.
If in fact we find the o rings to be leaking we will replace them BEFORE we ship them out.
At no charge to our customers.
We listed o ring kits on our website, as replacement parts for those who would like an extra set of good high quality
o rings for future use. Not just to charge you extra for!
They cost just a few bucks, and we look at them as adding customer service, rather than trying to get rich.
The first order, or “wingman special” is nearly sold out, but don’t worry, we are ordering more.
The add on mods we are offering, are offered to make shooting the P-12 more fun, and are not required for the P-12 to function properly.
Hope this helps
Thanks
Hemm….
He’s got it on the sight… its 689$ but if you take the wingman special and plop a 150$ deposit then u get 50 $ off. but once they arrive it back to the 689$
So, what is the estimated price or if you tell us the correct price?
Looks like there has been some confusion, about the new SPA P-12 we are importing.
Just thought I would comment here, and set the record straight.
Some would like you to believe that we are offering a substandard product, and are going to charge you
for fixing them.
NOT TRUE
Other counties have started receiving the P-12, and it has been getting pretty decent reviews, however
there seems to be a common thread. “o rings”
The primary issue some other countries were having was the breech, and/or transfer port o rings leaking.
The manufacturer has assured us, they have addressed this issue
However,
We already have 100 complete sets of o rings in house, and will be checking the P-12 out very carefully
BEOFRE we ship them.
If in fact we find the o rings to be leaking we will replace them BEFORE we ship them out.
At no charge to our customers.
We listed o ring kits on our website, as replacement parts for those who would like an extra set of good high quality
o rings for future use. Not just to charge you extra for!
They cost just a few bucks, and we look at them as adding customer service, rather than trying to get rich.
The first order, or “wingman special” is nearly sold out, but don’t worry, we are ordering more.
The add on mods we are offering, are offered to make shooting the P-12 more fun, and are not required for the P-12 to function properly.
Hope this helps
Thanks
Forum Members,
Looks like there has been some confusion, about the new SPA P-12 we are importing.
Just thought I would comment here, and set the record straight.
Some would like you to believe that we are offering a substandard product, and are going to charge you
for fixing them.
NOT TRUE
Other counties have started receiving the P-12, and it has been getting pretty decent reviews, however
there seems to be a common thread. “o rings”
The primary issue some other countries were having was the breech, and/or transfer port o rings leaking.
The manufacturer has assured us, they have addressed this issue
However,
We already have 100 complete sets of o rings in house, and will be checking the P-12 out very carefully
BEOFRE we ship them.
If in fact we find the o rings to be leaking we will replace them BEFORE we ship them out.
At no charge to our customers.
We listed o ring kits on our website, as replacement parts for those who would like an extra set of good high quality
o rings for future use. Not just to charge you extra for!
They cost just a few bucks, and we look at them as adding customer service, rather than trying to get rich.
The first order, or “wingman special” is nearly sold out, but don’t worry, we are ordering more.
The add on mods we are offering, are offered to make shooting the P-12 more fun, and are not required for the P-12 to function properly.
Hope this helps
Thanks
Hey gunner if you read here … On mrodair.com under updates
http://mrodair.com/p-12_bullpup_updates
Top of the page. Looks like he already did
We have an update, and some information.
For those on the fence, or just curious about the quality of the P-12.
Here is a link to a Video showing the unboxing of the P-12, and firing it
for those who assume it will be loud, and other information.
Enjoy
Any chance you will address what Citrus said about you on the Yellow?
I saw that video…. That thing sounded whisper quiet !! Maybe we can get someone to translate what they were saying.. The guys looked pretty happy. I may be wrong but I watched the video earlier. And for those that say. Mrod is scalping the prices… They paid 489 euro. Which is about 670$. So. Sounds like mrodair is right where they should be ..
Mrodair here,
We have an update, and some information.
For those on the fence, or just curious about the quality of the P-12.
Here is a link to a Video showing the unboxing of the P-12, and firing it
for those who assume it will be loud, and other information.
Enjoy
Michael Esch from Mrodair.
We saw the post, and have been getting a lot of questions, so I thought I would post a couple of things here to help answer them.
We will attempt to respond to the issues posed, individually. This way, you will know much more specifically what to expect, and not just a blanket answer, like “oh yeah, we fixed all that”
We all know its not just that simple
Here goes
Wingman NZ wrote:
Here’s my list sent to SPA of what I think is a MUST for them to fix or modify on the P12 before it goes into production
Issue
*Reduce the machined hole size in the .177cal breech transfer port from 4.5mm to 3mm to stop pellet damage and jams.
Mrodair response
We made the first order primarily in .22 cal , and of course can get more in the .177, but they will only be shipped to our customers after this has been confirmed as fixed.
The factory, has of course been made aware, and assured me it has been addressed, they have honored every promise they have made to me so far.
Issue
*Both the action/breech and Weaver rail need to be machined out of 6061T6 or 7075 T6 not the soft commercial grade alloy used on these prototypes.
Mrodair response
The factory told me directly, and specifically that these materials have been upgraded.
Even though the old style breech has been proven to work in .22 cal, the manufacturer is replacing them
and has increased my price to reflect this upgrade specifically. They have honored my quote, however, the future orders
will reflect a slightly higher retail price. (about 80.00) higher.
The first Mrodair P-12 order WILL be the newest upgraded version, and is the primary reason for the delay in shipping them, as
they had to source the materials and install the upgrades.
Issue
*The “cocking pin” cap screws need to be rounded and polished to prevent premature wear and to promote smooth cycling action.
Mrodair response
This is a common issue for using commercial grade components, with every airgun regardless of brand.
We are working up a package, as many other airgun retailers do, such as 10 for 10, or lube and tune, and it will be offered at a competitive rate.
Issue
*The Bolt probe needs a second O ring groove added to provide a little more safety.
Mrodair response
This upgrade has been submitted to the manufacturer, and we have posed this question to them as well.
It has been discussed, as part of the upgraded version in general, and I will post the official word from them, as soon as
they have been more specific in their response to me on this particular modification.
The position of Mrodair is this. The manufacturer has made every attempt so far, to make these specific changes we have asked for (within reason) and we have no reason to believe this will not be addressed by the manufacturer.
If needed, Mrodair will offer the service to add another oring groove in the probe, at a very reasonable price.
After all, we are a machine shop.
Issue
*The trigger connecting rod needs a locking nut on the rear to lock against the trigger block to prevent self adjustment over time.
Mrodair response
This issue, will be addressed. period. If they are not already installed, Mrodair will include a lock nut, for you to lock the
adjustment rod.
As this is a personal preference.
We are including the installation of this locking nut, as part of our lube and tune option as well for those of you who prefer this
mod.
Issue
*The bolt needs a detent ball added to stop it bolt slopping around in the action.
Mrodair response
This upgrade has been submitted to the manufacturer, however I have not specifically asked them about it.
If it is not included by the factory, we will offer this service, as well at a reasonable cost.
Issue
*All O Rings MUST be replaced with harder good quality Nitrile 70 and 90 durometer and fitted with a good quality 100% silicone grease.
Mrodair response
We have been assured that this has been done, however we have already purchased 100 complete sets of 70 and 90 dur orings
as per the wingman specs, and will offer them to our customers for under 10 bucks a set.
Just to ensure our customers, that we will have those parts available either way, just to be sure.
Issue
*Address the quality control, Check all cap screws are tight and that there are no air leaks (static and discharging) etc.
Mrodair response
We will air all of the P-12’s up and check for leaks, as well as test fire them, unless our customer specifically request otherwise.
The following are my recommendations to bring the quality and value up but not crucial like the above list. The following is my opinion only but I think it will result in more satisfied customers..
Issue
*Check all barrels against defect and test fire with quality pellets before boxing.
Mrodair response
We will test fire every P-12 air rifle before we ship to our customer, unless specifically asked not to by the customer.
Issue
*Fit a larger diameter and higher quality manometer (front gauge). The small ones are renowned for being inaccurate.
Mrodair response
The air gauge is part of the pressurized system of the P-12 and will be at the manufacturers discretion. If we ask them to use a specific gauge and they all fail, we could not expect them to stand behind them.
Snowpeak is looking to make a big impression on the high end airgun market, so I am very confident in the choice they make about the gauge.
Issue
*Fit a regulator.
Mrodair response
Some shooters like regs, and some don’t. Some regs leak, some regs creep, some require you to compromise the integrity of a high pressure tube with an atmospheric hole, and some work great.
Our position is that we are working with several different types of regs, and reg adaptors, to offer you a choice.
We don’t pretend to know all there is to know about regs, but We will help my customers to fit one in the P-12 if desired.
Issue
*Address the Titanium cylinder coating.
Mrodair response
This is the tricky part.
Titanium, has two very distinct properties. one is strength, and the other is chemical resistance.
We like it for its strength, however I can see it being tricky to apply a chemical finish on.
We will post more on this subject when I receive my sample.
Issue
*Address the stock finish, a little more attention to detail and maybe a dark stain would increase appeal. Lengthen the fore grip 50-80mm for ease of use.
Mrodair response
We have ordered replacement stocks, and they are coming in with the first order.
As soon as I get pricing on stock upgrades We will post them on our site.
They are for custom finish upgrades, such as black tactical, and laser engraving upgrades
that we can offer very soon.
Issue
*Change the thread on the fill probe to the more universal 1/8″BSP from 1/8″NPT
Mrodair response
We at mrodair, have not addressed this issue directly with the manufacturer.
If it proves to be problematic we will.
Issue
*Consider a .25cal option, it is very popular in the western market place at present.
Mrodair response
From what we understand the factory is exploring this as an option.
We already have barrels waiting in .25 .30 and 9mm to experiment with
and hope to offer them as a conversion.
I hope this will help to make these issues more clear.
The manufacturer is making every effort to make the Mrodair P-12 first order, a high quality product.
If we at Mrodair can help you further please visit our site at http://www.mrodair.com
Thanks.
This was on page 9.
Im sure wingman or Mike from MRODAIR will have more info… I think that wingman is still waiting on the care package to see what they actually updated.
*Reduce the machined hole size in the .177cal breech transfer port from 4.5mm to 3mm to stop pellet damage and jams.
*Both the action/breech and Weaver rail need to be machined out of 6061T6 or 7075 T6 not the soft commercial grade alloy used on these prototypes.
*The “cocking pin” cap screws need to be rounded and polished to prevent premature wear and to promote smooth cycling action.
*The Bolt probe needs a second O ring groove added to provide a little more safety.
*The trigger connecting rod needs a locking nut on the rear to lock against the trigger block to prevent self adjustment over time.
*The bolt needs a detent ball added to stop it bolt slopping around in the action.
*All O Rings MUST be replaced with harder good quality Nitrile 70 and 90 durometer and fitted with a good quality 100% silicone grease.
*Address the quality control, Check all cap screws are tight and that there are no air leaks (static and discharging) etc.
The following are my recommendations to bring the quality and value up but not crucial like the above list. The following is my opinion only but I think it will result in more satisfied customers..
*Check all barrels against defect and test fire with quality pellets before boxing.
*Fit a larger diameter and higher quality manometer (front gauge). The small ones are renowned for being inaccurate.
*Fit a regulator.
*Address the Titanium cylinder coating.
*Address the stock finish, a little more attention to detail and maybe a dark stain would increase appeal. Lengthen the fore grip 50-80mm for ease of use.
*Change the thread on the fill probe to the more universal 1/8″BSP from 1/8″NPT
*Consider a .25cal option, it is very popular in the western market place at present.
It’s getting busy around here.
I got the word from the factory, the first order of the updated model P-12 is rolling,
and the scheduled date is April 20th
I will keep you updated, as soon as I here further details.
:7:
We are to receive a sample, that is shipping out to us, on March 11 via air freight.
What exactly are the improvements going into these first guns? Thanks
I have shipped to Canada once, and it took forever for my customer to get it thru.
There is quite a process.
I would suggest getting In touch with an importer, or other specialist in that field.
The guy I shipped to didn’t use a third party to handle the deal, and even though he submitted a firearms license, it was held for quite a while For not going thru the proper channels
ie: big brother
I would be happy to work with an exporter, but I would be hesitant to try and ship it directly.
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P-12 VS KAM Stinger info.
I just thought I would post about a much debated topic, related to the new P-12 vs the KAM Stinger variant.
It is our understanding, that the P-12, and the KAM Stinger, while sharing some of the same basic design
Characteristics, and manufactured by the same company, may in fact be two different animals.
It appears that both mrodair, and KAM, had contacted SPA at about the same time (last September)
About the new bullpup design and that KAM, asked to have the product marked, with their own logo. (Stinger)
We at mrodair, have no affiliation with KAM, or their products.
We are not aware of any other design changes specifically that may or may not have been performed on the first
production variant, (now labeled Stinger)
We at mrodair, decided to wait until the design had been updated more in line with “wingmans” in depth
review, in an effort to supply an improved design version, at a reasonable cost.
We stand by our decision, to wait and offer the very latest version for our customers.
This time, has been spent designing, producing, and outsourcing parts and acc, for the new P-12
We are happy to say, wingman has come thru for us again. He has put us in contact with a European airgun regulator
Manufacturer, That has already tested and produced a very high quality drop in adjustable pressure regulator.
Our first sample, is on its way to us already. As soon as we verify the quality of the new regs, we have committed to
Purchase them in quantity, and offer them to our customers. They are manufactured from very high quality 7075 aluminum, and are priced similar to the better paintball type regs on the market.
Thanks Again Wingman
Further, we would like to take a moment to thank Wingman, Tony at Talon Tunes, and Adam Vigil, for all the hard work
Associated with owning and operating this forum.
Wingman, Tony, and Adam, we are all in your debt.