February 3, 2008 at 4:57 pm #1456gkhParticipant
At PA, I am seeing the Talon SS w/no clamp, or sights is $474.95. The CO2 version w/adapter & 12oz filled w/CO2 is $429.50.
The more I look, the more attracted I am to the CO2 Talon SS. And, I now have $675.00 to spend.
After all of this, looking into used scuba, etc,,, & the price of a Hill Pump; I think personally, I would be happier going CO2. I wanted more power at first. But, I really don’t need more power.
And, with the extra cash, I have now, I even thought about going Condor in .22 on CO2. That way, I would have the greater power. Then; the loudness factor came into it.February 3, 2008 at 5:12 pm #33128busterParticipant
i baught the co2 version and later baught the hpa tank, if i did it again i would of got the hpa then the co2 adapter you wil want the power over co2 for the long shots co2 its good op too 40 or so yards mor than that the wind afects the trayectory too much and power very low for pest control , get a used scuba tank and the hpa version with the scuba fill adapter a sandbag or bypod an have fun some pellets and hafe fun.February 3, 2008 at 5:34 pm #33131photo22Participant
It may have something to do with the more power and consisteny that you can get out of the HPA tanks. And the HPA’s seem to have more of a demand for sales.February 3, 2008 at 6:39 pm #33136eric1200Participant
I bought the Talon in co2 specifically to upgrade it with a HPA paintball tank. I got the basic talon for 369.00 after the 10% discount. Bought a HPA paintball tank off Ebay for 40.00. Did the washer mod to bump the psi output to 1200psi (free) Then had a great friend with a lathe and skills add a frame extender and some other mods. Total cost around 400.00 plus a scope. See the bling build thread under the mod section for the results. The gun is quiet, different, extremely consistant (+- 4fps on a 20 shot string), accurate and has decent FPS #’s. All on the cheap. Plus we had a blast putting it all together and tweeking it. Just my thought on the co2 version. EricFebruary 3, 2008 at 7:08 pm #33142rustykfdParticipant
Why not this package? Now $650 it will go quick.
http://talonairgun.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1530February 3, 2008 at 8:11 pm #33146bodhisdadParticipantquote rustykfd:
There is never a deal like thatwhen i want to purchase something. Thats a very good price.February 3, 2008 at 9:20 pm #33156rustykfdParticipantquote Bodhisdad:
No kiddingFebruary 3, 2008 at 9:24 pm #33160justforfunParticipant
Had I not spent all the money, my wife will allow (yes I’m the boss in my house and I always get the last word, YES Honey) I would buy this in a heart beat.
Where you you when I needed you. 😀February 3, 2008 at 9:24 pm #33161shadohParticipant
LOL, its because when we finally save up the extra cash to buy what we want we cant sit on it until a deal comes up ) WE WANT IT NOW DAMMIT ).February 4, 2008 at 1:16 am #33169bodhisdadParticipantquote Shadoh:
Thats about it, too.February 4, 2008 at 4:27 am #33175photo22Participantquote rustykfd:
That is a sweet deal, and it’s gone.February 4, 2008 at 6:00 am #33180knifemakerParticipant
Lots of post to your question here. But I don’t see an answer to your question. The High pressure tank for the air. Operating pressure @ 3000 psi is a great deal higher that the co2 tank. There fore it retails at a higher price. It is a much heavier tank.
As far as t why use hpa even if you don’t want the higher fps, co2 is is famous for a drastic velocity drop as the weather gets colder. For the same reason, you cannot fire multiple shots in a rapid fashion in these guns with the co2, as it will also drop the pressure quickly.
Add to this, the cost of co2 will normally be enough higher, that if you shoot a lot, as many of us here do. You will quickly make up the difference between the cost. And keep adding the higher cost the longer you own the gun.
While co2 may be quite consistent on any given day, it isn’t consistent over the course of time. If you want ultimate, or even more than fair accurate which these guns are more than capable, co2 simply will not get the job done. No one wants to re-sight every time you go out the door and the weather has a small change. Much less from the heat of noon, to the coolness of the evening.
It’s only advantage, is a high shot count. At the cost of a much reduced performance level of both accuracy and velocity.
MikeFebruary 5, 2008 at 3:25 am #33250ribbonstoneParticipant
Co2 may not be your answer. Works for me, but I’ve a specific set of circumstances. I really have no need of more than 11 – 12foot pounds, need the quiet, and live in a warm climate (was 80F today).
The Talon SS does cool faster. Only have 12″ of barrel, and it’s the barrel that provides the heat-sink for c02 drive. The cold gas is vented inside the reciever (which is what quiets the gun), but in doing so the barrel gets much colder much faster. Add to this, here is no good way to get a temperature reading of the barrel….so even with a nice warm tank and rifle (the part you can touch), will find that a longer time between shots is needed to get back to stable.
(Talon isn’t alone in this…those who’ve added a shroud to conventional CO2 guns find the same thing going on…the exiting gas gets a chance to cool the inside of the barrel, the outside of the barrel, and the inside of the shroud before exiting into the atmosphere.)
As for price, bulk CO2 (welding supply) is running about $.12 an ounce. While air is “free”, the pump/tank/fitting, and upkeep isn’t. Am sure there is a break-even point out there, but suspect it is a long way down the road.
IF there is an accuracy difference, it’s happening past 50yards…at least up to that range, haven’t found any significant difference (and with a sub 12 foot pound rifle, I’ve no doubt that as range extends, the faster HPA verisions will group better).
On the bright side, noticed that at the Shot Show, AirFroce OK’e the use of nitrogen. May not make a difference to many of you, but there are a lot more places to find high pressure nitrogen than high pressure air (this is esp. true once you get away from the coast line where dive shops are more common.)
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