Shot some groups with my Airwolf today
Today was nice and crisp and my neighbours are away, so I thought that I’d shoot a few groups and see how the Airgun Gods favoured me. Apparently they like me quite a lot as I managed quite a few good groups, with the below being the best:
Sorry about the quality of the picture, but my wife has taken the Camera, lol.
Anyway, that’s 7 shots and a Quarter Coin at about 26 Yards, so not too bad, I think. Airgun was an Airwolf in .22 with a PAG shroud and JSB Exacts. Why 7 shots? Well, I was going to do 5 and they all went into virtually the same hole, so I added another and that pushed it out a fraction, so I fired off another, again making the hole slightly larger. At this point I wimped out and decided to be content with what I had.
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Good post.
It all makes sence to me now.
Thank you, Doc 8)
The reason some are against using a pump directly on a tank of any kind with a poppet type valve is this. With every stroke of the pump, you are opening and closing the valve seal on it’s seat, (and bouncing it alot) if you fill from a tank it opens and closes a far fewer number of times. So, if you put a pump on them, they would theoretically wear out faster, or at least have more wear. Also the tank fill generates less heat (at the seal) in most applications. These valves are as you know a delicate balance between spring pressure, seat angle, and seal material durometer.
Just my observation
The same with Theoben hi-end rifles :
” Theoben has issued a bulletin indicting only clean dry air from a scuba tank is warranted for use in their guns. Hand pumps and high pressure compressors will void the warranty “.
Are they afraid of rust or what ? 😆
That’s kind of weird, about the pump. I think it is 99% just Daystate trying to cover themselves though, to be honest. It’s too early for me to tell yet, but everything is 100% fine so far, and I’ve yet to hear of any people having issues with their Daystates through pumping, and as far as I’m aware the valves on them are the same as any other PCP.
Great looking Wolf there Tron! I’m torn between a Ranger, Wolf and the Rapid Mk II. Man, what am I talking about. I just got my first PCP about 6 or 7 weeks ago. The Talon SS. I am so hooked. Knew it was going to happen. Need a .25 up-grade. Ha!
On the pump thing. I just read a few days ago, from the Daystate site, using a pump, even one of the hi dollar electric high pressure pumps will void the Warantee. Makes no since to me, as the scuba tank is filled from a high pressure pump. I must be missing somthing! MIke
Nice group, good shoting shoulda tried for 8. Very nice rig, i’d like to one day shoot a Daystate Air Wolf or Ranger and the famed Theobens. Just to experience the high end hype. Keep on punching paper save those old groups and compare after a months worth of practice, no more nervousness. But still for the distance thats a dam good group in my book.
That’s great, Jim. Funny too! I was going to put my 10-50×60 on the Wolf too, but with the PAG Shroud it wouldn’t fit without riser mounts, and that is then too top heavy.
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NICE TT I’ve only been able to shoot accross my basement and they are all single pellet hole groups @ 13 yards with Crosman Premier Heavies…Crow Magnums print approx 1″ at the same range.
I have BKL high? mounts and the Nikko 10-50x60mm and that leaves me less then 1/4″ from the factory shroud…the threaded end is 1/2×20 I think? no adapter is needed…it is the normal thread for moderators not the 11x1mm on the Career/Sumatra’s.
The Wolf is one NICE rifle! trigger is just amazing and changing power settings is effortless and exact. With the electronic firing it is basically a regulated gun. I’m curious to see if I can get 180 shots at 19 fpe or 300+ @ 12 fpe.
Happy Holidays! Jim.
I think that AoA are being a little on the optimistic side, to be honest. I don’t know anything about the Theoben rifles apart from what I have read, and that is that they are usually very good, accurate and reliable.
AoA shows 60-70 shots with a 35 fpe Ranger on a 230 bar fill, and 40 shots with 50 fpe. I hope it’s true. But again, Theoben rifles is a very attractive option, too. Do you know how many shots S-Type offers, and and what power level? I am kind of swinging from one to another… I know for sure, the Theoben S-Type has 3 year warranty.
I don’t know about the Vortex being able to be attached directly as I don’t know what fittings it has, but the Wolf (and Ranger, if I remember right) has a cap at the end of the shroud that can be removed to reveal a thread. If worst came to worst you would just need an adapter and they will be easy to come by. I’m not sure whether the Ranger will get that number of shots, and would think that 40-50 would be more realistic. The Wolf will get a good 70 shots for sure though, if not more.
Thank you, Tron,
I kinda looking into a .22 Ranger 35 fpe version. Anthony is building my .25 Condor, so I assume it’s going to be a 85 fpe gun (my future pig slaying machine). So, that Ranger is supposed to have 60-70 shots on one charge, which is great, no doubt. This one will serve me as an ultimate small game rifle.
I am also curious if a Vortex moderator (Theoben) can be attached to Daystate rifles…
Vlady, funnily enough, I had a Ranger before the Wolf. It was the 50fpe version and was nice for what it was. However, I also had a Condor, and the Ranger cannot be turned down in power so the two rifles were really filling the same slot. Comparing the two, the Wolf shoulders a lot more easily than the Ranger for me, plus it is quieter, has a better trigger, gets more shots and just generally feels nicer. I have it set to just about 28fpe and that is perfect for shooting squirrels in the garden, whereas the 50fpe of the Ranger would be a little too much.
Tron, is there a reason you went for a Wolf and not a Ranger? I wonder what Wolfs can do that Rangers can’t? Would that be just a number of features, like electronic triggers, shot counters, and so on, or is there anything else?
thanx.
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Washensi, you got it right in the previous post.
Problem is not the poppet valve bounching with every pump stroke. The valve is designed to withstand thousands of violent hits by the hammer in comparison to the gentle lift by air from pumping. Besides, using a compressor can eliminate the pressure pulses by having a small accumulator.
Moisture (from the air) hence rusting/corrosion of metal parts is the perceived problem. Moisture in vapour phase is not the issue but when you compress air, moisture will condense i.e. forming liquid water. Most commercial compressors have dryers to remove that water and only dry air gets into the scuba tanks.
We use a lot of compressed air as motive force in industry. Imagine all the instruments and control valves etc. freezing up in winter time if there is water in the air lines. Freezing point for industrial dried compressed air is usually below – 50F.
When you use a handpump during those high humidity seasons, droplets will form. The Hill pump has a dryer pack which, unfortunately, is on the wrong side of the pump – the low pressure side. It would not be as effective as on the high pressure side but it’s better than not having any drying capability. The same applies to simple compressors without drying facility e.g. tire pumps at gas stations. Just try pressing on the valve stem gently and feel the droplets come out.
A lot of people don’t have easy access to dive shops and hand pumps may be their only option. If you have air conditioning at home, the air is usually dry enough. Where I live, we have to use humidifier during the winters anyway.