May 7, 2008 at 1:32 am #2100
Why is it that round ball ammo works so well in my 909 yet you never here of any one using round ball in a Condor or a Talon ❓May 7, 2008 at 2:34 am #38763butcher45Participant
Have to wonder what size RB is optimal for the choked LW barrels. Are 909 barrels choked? That may be the difference right there.
I’ll slug my 909 when I get it back, and find out.May 7, 2008 at 3:20 am #38767rob3drParticipant
I’ve tried size ‘F’ buckshot in my Talon and Condor (when it was .22) Since turning to .25, I’ve tried #3 buck in it.
Results the same… Accuracy is ok out to 20 yards or so then drops off significantly. Besides, the rounds are too light for the Condor… CRACK! In the Talon, they did ok.. good enough for plinking.
Tried Beeman Perfect rounds in .177 in my now .177 Talon with the same results.May 7, 2008 at 3:29 am #38768
I have some #3 buck ordered for my new .25 bbl. The idea for me is good shooting to about 30yds, at about 750fps on CO2, will make this monster a quiet backyard plinker with CHEAP ammo for extended can and bottlecap hunting without changing barrels. Will report back when I have tested the theory. Hornady buckshot is supposed to be swaged, and within .001 for diameter/roundness. Hope it works out and will share results when it comes in.May 7, 2008 at 3:33 am #38769rob3drParticipant
I’ve heard the same about Hornady buckshot… the kind I have is from Ballistic Products, or something to that effect. Certainly not of high quality as there is a noticeable difference in breech fit on some of them.May 7, 2008 at 6:43 am #38788knifemakerParticipant
The results sould be interesting!
MikeMay 10, 2008 at 3:08 am #38893
Well, prelim is in. Got to play with the buckshot (roundball) a little this evening. Tolerance seems good if not great. There is variation in pressure required to seat the ball into the breach but all fit well with just thumb pressure. Shot some on co2 first, 650-680 for several shots over the chrono, no documented shot strings though. Seems to be “minute of bottlecap” to 25yd and “minute of can” to 35-40ish.
started loosing accuracy after 30-40 shots and remembered the tank cooling of CO2 (didn’t allow much time between shots). Switched to my low condor tank (guessing 1800psi or so) put a couple over the chrony at 900fps +-, accuracy seemed to get MUCH better at 35yd targets (my .22lr spinner) going to have to dial in various velocities and shoot groups to find a “sweet spot”. Apparently there is going to be a velocity window where the roundball shoots very acceptably for its intended purpose (high volume plinking at close to moderate range)
Next step to document some velocity strings on air and co2 and shoot some groups on targets at various distances. Will post pics/results.
My math says the 5lb box I got is 1400+ pellets for 25 bucks so economy is good (equivilant of 7 200ct tins in .25cal = $3.57/tin or half price of most all other pellets)May 12, 2008 at 3:01 am #38987
well, 15-20 mph winds today prevented any real target shooting, but I did go through a couple hundred shots on co2 and air. Keeping my purpose in mind, going to work out very well. avg was 650 fps for 23gr .25 cal buckshot. Forgot how much FUN just “kicking cans” can be. Still has considerably more authority than most .177 or .22 pellets (penetrates steel aresol cans) and able to hit can sized targets from 15-35yd shooting offhand is no problem. 50 yd is guesswork. For you powder burners I’d say the comparison would be shooting milspec ball ammo vs. good handloads or Federal gold medal.
I am quite happy with the results so far for intended purpose. Just have to remember that roundball is not suitable for brain surgery or rocket science past 20 yds (got plenty of kodiacs for that anyway). Great way to share the shooting with company and not break the bank on premium ammo, change barrels, or have a sore back from pumping every 30 shots.May 15, 2008 at 1:19 am #39121
well, finally shot some targets, but not worth posting compared to the 1 hole groups I’ve come to expect at 20-25yd with these guns but have to keep perspective on what the intended prupose is for shooting roundball.
CO2 + .250 roundball = FUN 😀 😀 😀
4 of 5 bottle caps at 25 yd and can kicking to 35 yd is no problem.
Gobs of shots, no pumping, cheap ammo, lots of fun. mission accomplished
23gr ball at 650fps = 21.58fpe
Great for afternoon plinking and close range pests that don’t require pinpoint accuracy.May 15, 2008 at 3:29 pm #39144
shpshotr28, I got a box of those Hornady round ball after reading your post. Been working with them for two days now…I’m not the best shot. Working with an Airforce tripod, a sand bag, and a couple of phone books. Well, today started getting some better groups. Wish I could give out some numbers but I had a little bit of a mishap 🙁 as you can see by the pic. The three shot group was at 50 yards. Will get numbers as soon as I pick up a new chronograph. 😀
May 15, 2008 at 10:05 pm #39151butcher45Participant
There was a guy on another board that was really upset that I had shot my chrony.
He said he has never seen nor heard of anyone shooting a chrony before, and that there was no excuse for it LOL! He also said that he never heard of anyone using their chrony out in the field.
Obviously he has never asked anyone if they have shot their chrony before!
I just shot chrony #3 a few weeks ago, and that was in one years time of ballistics testing.May 16, 2008 at 3:50 am #39168busterParticipant
i have that same chrony and you dont nead to shoot low to get a good reading o and nice groupsMay 16, 2008 at 4:13 am #39170
Not sure if this is a good defense, but it is the truth: I had it set up at 25 yards and was tuning my top hat when for some reason she threw a slow ball. Of course, as you might imagine, the exact speed is going to be one of life’s little mysteries LOL.May 16, 2008 at 4:20 am #39171
I set mine up 15ft max from muzzle (don’t trust myself any further). Accuracy with the roundball seems dependent on velocity; 650fps on co2 is good to about 30yd, 875fps on air increases range to 45-50yd.May 17, 2008 at 3:04 pm #39223
shrpshotr28, got the new chrony up and running and I want to thank you for getting me started with the round ball. You are so right: velocity is the key. Running Lizzy between 1050 and 1090 fps and I would not hesitate to drop the hammer on a sparrow at 50 yards. FPE is running in the high fifties. One thing I have noticed is the ease of loading: grab and jam 😀 Should make for somewhat faster follow up shots in the field. Been looking for another woodchuck. Hope to post soon. I would think that penetration would be outstanding 😀
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