Questions Asked when Someone Buys a New Gun
As you’ve probably heard 5 or 6 times already, I’m getting a Talon SS within the next 3-4 weeks. I have a bunch of questions.
1. Can I adjust the power after I cock and load the gun, or before?
2. Will this be about as loud as a multi-pump pneumatic without any modifications?
3. What pellet tester should I purchase to find out which pellets my gun likes most?
4. How can I determine the power levels I should be at – what’s the process? – I don’t have a chronograph.
5. I plan to get a scope, laser, and bipod. Should I get the Tri-Accessory Rail? I know I’ll need high mounts without it, but will I need the high mounts with it?
6. At what bar do you refill your gun?
I’ll add to these as I think of them.
Thanks,
Julien
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At 33 yds your Talon can produce sub .25″ groups benchrested.
Well, I bought some .177 Wolverine FT (JSB Exacts) yesterday and shot some 3 shot groups at 20 yards. I was able to get a ragged one-holer but the rest were like .25″ groups. Pretty sad. At 33 yards, I can get about two inch groups. 😀
What size groups are you able to get with your pump right now at 15 yds? I bet you will be able to cut your group size in half with your Talon
What will my gun most likely be like out of the box? Accurate? How will I know if it’s as accurate as it should be? After shooting a crappy pump up gun, I won’t know what’s good and what’s bad. How will I know if I need to adjust the tophat or whatever the things are called?
More than likely the gun with the stock 12 inch barrel will max out on velocity with the power wheel in the 5 or 6 position setting. With a full 200 bar fill, you’ll get about 40 consistent shots before you need to top off the tank.
Crosman Premiers are highly accurate and have been the best in my gun overall.
The only thing I do to new air rifles is run a couples patches wet with Beeman MP5 through the barrel to clean out any light rust or grime. Then another dry patch to dry the barrel a tad. Then I start shooting.
You can put a laser on your gun in a few places such as this.
The tri rail gives raises your scope 1/2″ and gives to more rails to mount to. It also provide rigidty but it is not mandatory to have.
Can I mount a laser without the Tri-Rail? What advantages does the tri-rail offer? What size scope should I get ( as in 30mm or 1inch )?
When I first get the gun, what should I do? This is my guess. *I’m sorry, I just want to get this right and do this the best way possible.
1.Open and read manual.
2.Mount Scope
3.Fill wit air
4.Test some pellets, find out shot count before refill, and what the best power setting is.
5.Shoot some more
6.Modify (Trigger and Shroud)
Are there any advantages of ordering it instead of going to the store and physically purchasing it, besides the fact that I have to drive for an hour?
Thanks,
Julien
I use high two piece mounts on two of my Talon SS and Condors. I don’t get any frame flex that I can notice and they are just as accurate as my other Talon and Condor which have one piece high mounts.
Keep in mind that the scope itself is rigid and will only add to the rigidity of the entire assembly once it’s attached.
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Then you might get some frame flex.. the top rail isnt that rigid. It seems to have become a partisan issue over whether the guns suffer from it or not….
You could use medium two peice mounts with a tri rail that’s fine, but I wouldnt suggest using high 2 peice mounts with the tri rail because then it would be kinda high.
Accushot 1 peice mounts are pretty cheap…. I use them and quite like them, especially for $10.
Awesome. Thanks for the super-quick reply. What if I got two piece high-mounts?
You can.. but when you cock the gun, you compress the hammer spring which wil then be pressing down on the power wheel, so it will be more difficult to turn. I’ve done it, but I dont make a habit out of it. I’d suggest picking a wheel setting and sticking to it, you’ll get to know your gun and how it shoots better sticking to one power level and you’ll be a better shot that way.
About that…. I had a Benjamin Sheridan and on 10 pumps it was probably about as loud as the Talon SS without anything in the frame to help with the noise.
Just buy a few tins of CP’s, JSB’s and Kodiaks or a sampler that contains them and a few others just to try out. The 3 above will preform well. Kodiaks are 21gr, CP’s and JSB’s are around 15gr and are similar design, but JSB’s cost more and are probably more accurate and better made (I shoot CP’s and they preform well, others swear by JSB’s… ).
Download softchrono and try that out… It wont give you exact velocities, but you will be able to tell when the velocity is no longer increasing as you turn up the power… at around level 6 on my gun volume of air the gun discharges keeps going up, but the velocity plateau’s so I’m just wasting air.
Get 1 peice high mounts and you wont need the tri rail for scope position or to strengthen the frame. if you get medium mounts you’ll likely need the tri rail for a comfortable scope height.
There’s no guage.. so you wont know until you go to refill, you just have to learn how many shots you get before the pellets start going too slow and the point your hitting on targets starts going down (POI). I just count my shots and refil when i get to that point… and at the end of a shooting session so I know when I go back to the gun it is full and wont be wondering how many shots I did last time.
The mroe you shoot it, the more these types of things will become instinctive and you wont need to refil, you’ll start using hold over and pick up techniques yourself and figure out other things…. Best advice I can give is shoot it, and shoot it a lot – You’ll learn more thay way than anything I can tell you.
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If it will be like that, I’m very excited. Either way, I’m very excited. So that’s basically a ragged hole, right?