May 20, 2008 at 10:02 pm #2181birdhunterParticipant
So I’ve spent the last month and a half just trying to get my gun to shoot at a consistent velocity (ie, not having to shoot 20 shots to get to the 950fps range then 2 shots later being at 1100fps). I’m using Kodiaks in my .22 Condor and I’ve finally been able to get a constant string of 15 shots at ~960fps….
The only place I’ve found I can get a nice string of shots is if I fill the tank to 1900psi and set the Power Wheel at 2-0. My Top Hat is set at .070″.
This seems abnormal to me. From what I’ve read and seen peoples numbers posted, I should be able to fill to 2900 or so and do the same thing. I’ve seen pictures of the new valve and it looks like mine.
Maybe my valve is wonky? I’m paranoid about having something thats broken but not knowing it. What do you guys think?
I’ve got a ton of numbers to back stuff up if anyone wants to see.May 20, 2008 at 10:43 pm #39362sotxguyParticipant
How old is the gun? Stock or Moded?May 21, 2008 at 1:16 am #39371
Sounds like you should have gone with a talon or you might want to put a standard valve in the tank.May 21, 2008 at 1:17 pm #39390davedParticipant
Hey, Gabe, this may sound nuts but have you tried turning your PW down even more? I just got an 18″ barrel for my SS (thanks, Sharpshooter!), and I think I’ve got it dialed in just about perfect. TH is only .034″ and PW @ zero, CPL’s are averaging 945 fps, 30 shots only drops it to 2700 psi from a 3K psi fill. BUT, if I turn up the PW, velocity drops 100 fps instantly. My theory is that with the PW up at all, the TH is slamming into the valve body. Maybe something similar is happening with your Bird. Good luck.
DaveMay 21, 2008 at 6:21 pm #39391birdhunterParticipant
Its a stock Condor. Only thing I have done is play with the power wheel and the top hat. I’ve had the power wheel set lower, higher, and the tophat set from the factory .080 down to .066 and it still seems to do the same thing at higher psi.
From what I’ve read about other guns, you want the bell curve shooting – about 20-40 fps seems normal. Mine is easily over 100fps curve.
Really, I dont care that I fill to 1900 and get 15 good shots. I only care about getting the right velocity consistantly so the POI is the same. The only thing that pisses me off is that once in about 40 shots, it will “misfire” – you can hear the shot isnt as loud and the point of impact is about 2 inches low at 23 yards. I think I’ve read thats because there isnt enough pre-load from the power wheel? I just dont know why it doesnt do it more often….May 21, 2008 at 10:46 pm #39399sotxguyParticipant
You’re correct, you should be getting more consistent strings and from 2700+psi fills
You have a problem that I’ve never heard of before. Almost sounds like you got a Talon hammer with a Condor Valve. Just guessing?
This sounds like a problem for Voltar to answer.
BTW is the gun older then ~9 months? There was a problem with air tanks functioning above 2700psi on the older Condors.May 22, 2008 at 12:04 am #39400
Just a related question. Is it ok if the valve stem sticks 1mm beyond the end of the top hat?May 22, 2008 at 2:10 am #39408
I cant see how it can hurt?May 22, 2008 at 5:20 am #39414
Thats what i thought. Just to throw it out there, I did a shot string and it averaged at 827 fps with JSB Exacts 16 grain. Is that normalish for a stock talon SS?May 22, 2008 at 5:46 am #39417
at what pressure?May 22, 2008 at 5:50 am #39418
2800 Psi fill.May 22, 2008 at 5:59 am #39421
Im tempted to say you should be getting around 900 fps. With the TH 1 mm back means you re hammer is getting another 1 mm of travel. Is there anything else you haven’t mentioned?May 22, 2008 at 6:03 am #39423
Not that I know of. How should i get some more power out of it? Seems like you are good at doing that!May 22, 2008 at 6:10 am #39426
This might sound a bit silly but it does happen.
Im not too sure of the spring rate in the condor ss, however if the TH is hit hard enough it bottoms out. Having you re TH wound down 1 mm could also mean you re valve is opening 1 mm short of its full stroke. To test this, put a piece of paper between the back of the TH and the bottle, then shoot once. Look at the paper and see if it is damaged by the back of the valve bottoming out. P.S. sorry for the long winded response.May 22, 2008 at 6:23 am #39427
Paper is not damaged at all, just a little grease on it.
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