Lighter Valve spring…Does shot count decrease?
I modified my Talon valve but did not install a softer spring. Will installing the softer spring decrease shot count?
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Hey WOK from what I’ve seen so far I think you made the right decision…initially I got A LOT less shots with the lighter spring but am going to do some more testing to make sure…
I’m just guessing but I think the lighter spring was letting the valve “bounce” and blip out more air not making more power but using more air for the same power. I was able to make a little more power with the lighter spring but not much, and at the expense of a lot more air I think. It was DEFINITELY WAY louder than the stock valve for whatever reason.
I’m staying with the “heavier” springs as I want more shots and less noise. I don’t think there is a practical limit to the power I can make with these springs either?
Jim.
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With my Talon SS I can go as hight as 3200psi and still get the valve to open and get a power shot. I have never had a problem with a bad first shot.
Whats the thought behind heavier hammers then?? For a TSS with stock spring a 65-75g hammer is best as you get full power from shot one, why? Because the stock valve spring is to heavy to open fully with the stock 50g hammer. Even with a lighter valve spring(depending how light) and the stock hammer one will get 1-2 softer shots. If properly compensated the shot count can be increased if a small bell curve can be achieved. Thats fact, see the post below. Now if you figure in a tighter tophat setting and some experimenting with the hammer weight you’ll get more shots and a tighter spread.
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If you do not compensate and tune for the change a lighter valve spring has to consume more air as it opens easier and stays open longer.
That means that yes it will use more air.
Walter….
I will stay with the current spring then. I have plenty of power for what I do and want the shot count to stay where it is.
Thanks Guys 😀
The answer would be ‘yes’.
If you do not compensate and tune for the change a lighter valve spring has to consume more air as it opens easier and stays open longer.
That means that yes it will use more air.
Walter….
Adam, it willdepend on hammer weight and tophat setting. If you can get the stock hammer back in and the tophat screwed down to around .058 or so you’ll still get the same velocity, maybe more shots as the travel of the tophat is restricted. It may be possible to go with a lighter hammer then stock, depending on what spring you use. I use one which allows me to depress the tophat easy with my thumb, while the tank is empty. But still stout enough that you don’t worry about valve dump at lower fill pressures. Its something i’d like to experimen with more this winter.Maybe a delrin hammer 35-40g range and another 15-20g range. All the while just going with a lighter valve spring. Alot less wear and tear ont he rigs trigger assembly and a quieter hammer smack. It a theory and its backed up in a earler post by someone who was using/ or found a 15g delrin hammer in their rig. They posted some realy awesome numbersIt would be inthe general area, if memory serves on some of the very first pages. Uts a vbalance and can be done.
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You have to lighten the hammer and turn the tophat in to take advantage of a lighter valve spring. Its a balance, you can’t drop in a lighter valve spring and leave the tophat set at .070 your going to waste air. If you can get the tophat in to .058 .060 or so you’ll see what i’m talking about. Drop the hammer weight by 10grams and you have less hammer noise, more shots, a tighter shot string and more shots. Isn’t that about the same basis as shimming the tophat?? Now do that with a lighter valve spring and a 40g hammer and see what kind of numbers you get.