Knowing what you know today, would you of done it different?
Pertaining to your talon/condor purchase. After everything is said and done, some of you, if not most have modified your AF gun in some manner.
From what Ive read, you could start fwith either one and get the same/similar results with time and money.
So, I ask this. If you could start all over again, which gun would you go with? The talon? talonSS? Or the condor? Why would you pick one over the other?
To the mods, if this debate has been beat to death, I understand, but didnt locate it while searching.
Im leaning towards a handpump talonSS in .22, but would like to reach out and touch some paper at longer ranges. My main nemisis where we live is the midnight coon’s ransacking the garbage cans. Id like enough power/penetration to end thier buffet with a shot to the brain/brainstem at 20 yards or so max.
Though I do want sub .5″ groups at 50 yards as well. Since I live in the city limits, Id prefer not to crack off a handcannon in the middle of the night, so the quieter the better.
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If it can take one of these out, a coon is a walk in the park!
.22 Talon SS with 18″ bbl. Self mod. on valve.
990’s with JSB’s. 910- 920 with Kodiak 21.1 Gr.
And she is very consistent! Very accurate!
Mike
I wish I’d have bought European guns before the $ tanked.
Also wish I hadnt sold my .25 Condor to buy a BSA Super Ten (which I then sold to get the 410.. so it wasnt all bad and I did make a little $ on the whole deal).
But anyway, this is about Condor/SS/Talon… I’d probably just get the SS as even though I loved the .25, there isnt much to shoot with that caliber around here and its a bit long with a shroud.
Right now I have (in order of preference)
AA410 E Side Lever .22
Talon SS .22/.25
Webley Patriot Gas Ram (English) .22
Crosman 2289
Crosman 1322
I wont ever sell the Webley, and I wont sell the 410 unless some dire $ emergency comes up.. but the others would be sold/traded if the right gun popped up.
Looks like Nuglor just gave you a ‘Heads up’ spyonu… 🙂
I will be selling one of my 2 TalonSS .22’s in the next week to 2 weeks. It will be posted on this forum first.
Saugus18, you sir are a rare case indeed. Glad to hear a story or two like that.
Im settling in on a talonSS.
I can make it as quiet as possible.. and with the surgical accuracy, I can hone my own skill of trigger control, breathing, reading the crosswinds to get bullets on target.
Now to free up the funds and snipe in on one of these killer deals that appear semi-frequently on this forum.
But, a good guy to get one from is tony. They are some of the best you can get.
Or, get a frame extender and baffle it yourself. Those are from frameextender.com Not too much work, and pretty cheap.
yeah, it’s gorgeous. 😉
How much sound reduction do you get from the frameextender shroud?
Yep, I would prefer to stay in the .22/.25 relm.
spyonu2007… I would think the SS would take care of Coons out to about 25 yrds or so, I’ve seen posts here showing Possums being taken with them at farther distances than that. And that’s with Kodiaks passing completely thru the skull. The SS with throw a 21.1 gr Kodiak at about 750 fps, or about 26 ft lbs, which should do the trick in backyard situations. (Around 840/850fps with 14.3 gr)
The Condor definitely has more power, but with that comes more weight, more length, and a LOT more noise, you’d have to fashion/purchase some kind of shroud, or frame extender (Making it even longer still) before you could even shoot it in urban settings. You’ll also get less shots per fill.
What I and others here have found for a nice compromise is installing a 18″ barrel in the SS, keeps the length down and get 90+ fps increase with a 5 min barrel swap. Again, you’ll need a extender/shroud of some kind when doing this. EDIT: I’m also assuming you’ll go .22 here, not .177
To answer my own question,
Cliffnotes:
Im giving up on the rws/gamo/chicom and going AF.
History:
After years and years of buying misc firearms, I find myself not going to the range as much as I used to.
So, I picked up a chineese underbarrel spring activated one several years ago… maybe a whopping 500fps gun at best, but it shoots fairly well, and I have gone through and changed sites on it a dozen of times. Great for birds and paper, nothing more.
Later on I started shooting with my son, and eventually bought him a Gamo Recon, and he has done very well with it… SO..
I bought a gamo viper(.177).. turned out to be a scope breaking pos, and it went back to gamo and never came back. Then bought a rws350maggy, and though its great for a while, due to shooting too light of loads, it has broken the spring twice… you live you learn I guess.
So..today I sit here writing, having looked at the condor and the talonss both, Im still on the fense.. The talon would take care of all the target shooting I would do in the back yard, but I question whether it has the ooomph to take down the coons raiding my garage and trashcans.
Shooting that gamo viper, at .177 it would dispatch a full size adult racoon with a brainer, no problem.. Always wondered if it had more to do with that pba ammo I was shooting, and the round not deforming on skull impact.
It looks as though the condor could handle that no problem, but Id hate tot pick up an SS, only to wound the little bastards… Of course, after moding either one, they are both beasts..
So my quest for one or the other will continue.. right after I replace my water heater.
I wouldn’t have done anything differently, simply because I didn’t have much of a choice. Upon first looking into getting into the PCP arena, it all just seemed way out of my reach. All the decent guns seemed to be in the 900/1200 dollar range, not including everything else needed to shoot it. Then I stumbled across this forum, and found a good gun could be had for way less than most others. The clincher for me was finding out a airgun friend of mine had a TSS in storage in his garage, shot just a few times, in mint condition, for $350.00. Mac1 Tim had a scuba tank for $110.00, and I was on my way. Now I have a gun I can change around, personalize, mod it as I go… so for me, it couldn’t have worked out much better. I love my gun, but I’ll love it even more when I’m able to put the finishing touches on it.
I would have saved some more and got a FX, Air Arms or a Daystate. Over a year and a half later and Iam still pissed off with the inconsistancies it gives.
I also resent having to purchase valves etc to get it to shoot from any thing more than 2,200 psi.
Over here the Condor cost me €1,000 with filler and silencer, for not a whole lot more I could have got a lot better gun
* Rant Over*
because all I want to do now is call up Talon Tunes and buy a .25 Condor. After looking at PCPs for several months…I wish I would have found this forum sooner.
Now back to the drawing computer to invent my dastardly plan to sneak this one by the wife.
A friend made mine for me a while back. Such a great guy. 🙂
But, a good guy to get one from is tony. They are some of the best you can get.
Or, get a frame extender and baffle it yourself. Those are from frameextender.com Not too much work, and pretty cheap.
yeah, it’s gorgeous. 😉
Link on the shroud? Please. Thanks.
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Mike, what is the ball park figure you have tied up in your gun at this point?