March 10, 2009 at 8:02 pm #4971revwarnutParticipant
Since the stated purpose of any registration, licensing, etc. is always stated to be to help prosecute criminals or to keep the guns out of the hands of criminals, etc, etc. and is usually stated as NOT to being to punish law abiding persons.
I am now 100% for the registration of all guns of any type…
Under the following conditons..
Registration/licensing of said gun is a voluntary act and the possessor or owner of an un-registered or un-licensed gun shall not be punished by any fine or incarceration or any other form of punishment provided they meet the conditons listed below.
If any of these conditions are not met, then the possessor of an un-registered or un-licensed gun shall be deemed punishible by fine or incarceration or both.
a. The possessor meets the remaining conditions below and is a legal citizen or is a legally registered alien resident of the United Status, or is a non-citizen during a legal visitation to the United States.
b. The possessor is not currently a criminal felon.
c. The possessor is not restricted from ownership due to a mental illness or condition.
d. Said gun is not found to have been used during the commission of any prosecutable felonious offense for which the possesor has been found guilty of committing or participating or assisting in.
I am sure it will need a bit of tweeking… but you get the point…
After all…. these laws are meant to punish criminals and the criminal use of any such weapon is it not??
Surely the registration of guns should only apply to the criminals who of course fearing prossecution would rush right out and register their weapons would they not???
I would like to see anyone argue against the logic of this..
Anti-gunners Arguement #1 “But the criminals will just not register their guns!”
Umm… yes moron… that is what we have been trying to say all along…
I think this would show the true colors of those who wish to enact registraion and licensing…
How could they possibly oppose it?
What other unstated purpose could licensing and registration possible have??
This act shall be called the “Criminals in possession of scarry looking weapons act”
Unless you can think of a better name with a really cool acronym. 😀 😀
Any other subconditons we need to add???
RevwarnutMarch 10, 2009 at 9:10 pm #65789synopsysParticipant
I forwarded this to the local administration and I got a response from the president of the US and the governors of all the states in the union. Apparently they have been expecting this…
Dear mister Revwarnut, laws are meant to stick it to the law abiding, hard working, tax paying citizens.
You should know this, we have been sticking it to you personally for quite some time now and amazingly you have stuck with it way past the point of any ordinary man.
To our dismay you won’t sign up for food stamps and welfare… Obviously your an independent thinker and under these current political times that is a threat to the national security of this country.
The law you propose would mean that someone would actually have to do their job… Mainly the police and law enforcement.
Sorry we can’t have that, haven’t you seen just how bad the state’s finances are, if we pay these people to actually work we will go bankrupt.
It is much easier on a state level to just ask for a handout from all this crime. We know if we restrict the sale of guns we will have more crime. More crime equals more funding, and we can use that funding for travel and entertainment, not employee compensation. Therefore this new bill is in the states best interest.
We as the political ruling class know what is best for the slaves, err I mean citizens and we wouldn’t want people to think they can protect themselves when the government does such a good job (cough 9/11)…
Plus how else could we fuck you over and avoid any type of retaliation…
Here for you the citizen, as always, your helpful government.
😆 😆 😆March 10, 2009 at 11:32 pm #65809wolfy68Participant
Having 100% gun registration was how it first started here in the UK.But after many years of gun crime still rising it was found that 80-90% of guns used in serious crimes where actually stolen from those registered law abiding citizens,which then had a double edged sword effect.
First,knowing that a gun traced back to you was used in a serious crime and it may be the cause of some innocent persons death and also being punished for it by having your licence revoked and banned from possessing firearms.
Many licenced firearm holders where robbed of their guns at gunpoint.If your on a register,your details are at the mercy of criminals
It lead to a country wide ban on anyone legally owning handguns and assault rifles.
Now we have a knife crime culture.Talk has already started about banning all forms of knives.March 11, 2009 at 12:00 am #65813synopsysParticipantquote wolfy68:
Crap, not the way to do it and it would seem we (the USA) are heading down the same path… 👿
I hope the NRA has some serious pull, this doesn’t look like it is going to end well…March 11, 2009 at 12:24 am #65817sawtimeParticipant
That is why if your not a member of the NRA, you need to sign up and help protect our rights !!!
I have done this before and I will do it again, anybody a member of TAG that steps up and joins the NRA I will send them some 90 duro breech o-rings to your door.
send me a PM with your address and let me know you signed up.
I believe everyone here is honest, no bull shitters
If you do say you joined and did not the curse of SAW will haunt you, and you will most certainly be cut with a power tool of some kind.
Now get over to the NRA website and sign yourself up, it’s all we have.
SAWMarch 11, 2009 at 12:41 am #65820March 11, 2009 at 12:45 am #65822sawtimeParticipant
Pm your address to me, I lost it
SAWMarch 12, 2009 at 5:34 am #65975stower1Participant
Historicaly, gun registration is the precursor to gun control. He who would choose security over personal rights deserves neither.March 12, 2009 at 7:14 am #65980mawParticipant
It is getting very scary and like Saw said, join the NRA, it is seeming to be the last chance we have, if any at all, its that bad.March 12, 2009 at 5:33 pm #66007fwbgbsParticipant
National Gun Registration: The Road to Tyranny
by Miguel A. Faria, Jr.
Unbeknownst to many Americans, who have seen and experienced mostly the goodness of America, gun registration is the gateway to civilian disarmament, which often precedes genocide. In the monumental book Lethal Laws* we learn that authoritarian governments that conducted genocide and mass killings of their own populations first disarmed their citizens. The recipe for accomplishing this goal was: demonizing of guns, registration, banning and confiscation, and finally total civilian disarmament. Enslavement of the people then followed with limited resistance, as in Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union, Red China, Cuba, and other totalitarian regimes of the twentieth century.
When presented with these deadly chronicles and the perilous historic sequence, Americans often opine that it cannot happen here. As to the dangers of licensing of gun owners and registration of firearms, they frequently retort, “If you don’t have anything to hide, then you don’t have anything to fear!” Followed by, “I see nothing wrong with gun registration because we have to do something; there are just too many guns out there that fall into the wrong hands.” These naïve attitudes ignore the penchant of governments to accrue power at the expense of the liberties of individuals.
Civilian disarmament is not only harmful to one’s freedom but also counterproductive in achieving safety. That has been further attested by University of Hawaii Professor R. J. Rummel’s Death by Government (1994) and Stéphane Courtois’s edited volume, The Black Book of Communism (1999). These books make it clear that authoritarianism and totalitarianism are dangerous to the health of humanity. During the twentieth century, more than 100 million people were killed by their own governments bent on destroying liberty and building socialism and collectivism.
I can personally testify that when Cubans lost their guns in 1959 they also lost their ability to regain freedom. Thus today, Cubans on the other side of the Florida Strait remain enslaved in what was supposed to have been the dream of a socialist utopia, the ultimate Caribbean Worker’s Paradise. What they ended up with was the nightmare of a police state in a communist island prison.
Although with the new administration in Washington, registration may not be a politically viable option, other freedom-eroding legislation remains a real concern, particularly if hidden among the scores of bills passed by Congress year after year. Americans must vigilantly protect their sacred liberties, which are threatened, for example, by the closing of gun shows with burdensome regulations, rationing lawful gun purchases, and banning the importation of certain firearm accessories. Laws should be directed against criminals and felons, and should be referred to as crime control rather than gun control.March 12, 2009 at 11:12 pm #66038kingpinParticipant
they will come for your weapons!!!it will happen. then it will be to late . fight now or your rights will be lost never to be returned. strength in numbers. get the picture? gun registration has done nothing track legal gun owners. how many times do we think a crimminal will register a gun he just stole!!!. lets face it we put these clowns in office.March 12, 2009 at 11:49 pm #66047buzzcatParticipant
Not trying to be the sober voice in this discussion, but we went through the same wailing and gnashing of teeth during the Clinton years. True, we had the AWB in effect, but during that whole time, I never met a gun shop owner who told me he couldn’t sell me a black rifle. To the contrary, I met plenty who said they’d be happy to sell me all I wanted to buy for about two and a half times what they were actually worth. 🙄
This is just the part of the Obama stimulus package that benefits the firearms industry. 😆
IMHO, don’t look for any anti-gun legislation until after Wall Street gets its head out of its ass.March 13, 2009 at 2:49 am #66078revwarnutParticipant
Those on the “left”, at least the far-left for sure DO NOT CARE if laws hurt gun owners.
We all know this of course… and it is very frustrating to know that no logical arguement or that no amount of evidence will convince them otherwise. Their minds (what little they have…) are made up…
They are just against guns because they are scarry looking to them…. And because they have their heads up their asses (or each other’s asses.. 😯 😆 ..) , so they can’t see or hear well.. 😆 😆
What I would like to do is to propose limitations on something that will impact them in the same manner. Make them feel the pain of an onnerous government. However… that seems to be what they want… someone to watch over them… protect them… feed them, clothe them… even entertain them…. just so long as they get to live a carefree life… With NO thought to what this country was really founded for…
I am so glad I found this forum… you guys are much more astute than those on the Yellow forums Politics and Religion forum.. Many of them read the copy of the post I submited here and actually thought that I wanted gun control on all of us!!!! WTF??? They must not have gotten past the Subject line!!! I do think that a law requiring ONLY criminals to register guns would be hilarious… wouldn’t work of course.. but would drive home the point that NONE of those laws work…
I intend to show this to my local rep and pass it around to some of my fellow citizens at the district Republican Convention I plan on attending. (I am a Delegate/Alternate for my township) If for only a talking point.
I am also going to show this to some of my lefty friends… just to see what they say about it… might be entertaining… 😆 😆
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