Hammer time !
Hello All,
Got some sparetime to kill at work today and decided to make quick hammermod.
Yesterday I took the gun apart and had factory hammer with me at work and frankly I was quite disappointed for it’s quality and design. It is made from unfinished “raw” steel tube with el cheapo plastic bushings.
Since I have long time wanted to improve the silencing I went directly to lathe without any designing. Turned the new hammer from brass just to try out if O-ring mod works. It is 22×3 mm and I turned 2mm deep slot for it. The slot is also tapered so the ring can’t escape by itself. I have seen similar mods but usually the o-rings are on the breech sleeve.
I am little concerned about friction but this evening I will know better. If it works I can improve the design or totally redesign it. I would like to add teflon (PTFE) “anti-friction rings” for final model.
btw, The standard Talon hammer weights 46.06 grams (checked with calibrated scale). New one is 56.02g since I wanted to add little mass to help stabilazing friction.
Comments and critique welcome!
-Mike
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Sure Mike,
To keep a metal piston from touching the sides of the chamber small delrin or teflon, nylon dots can be placed on the piston. Drill a shallow hole and place a piece of delrin or other material in it and secure it with super glue. You will need to hand sand the dots to fit perfect in the chamber. But when you are done the hammer will not be touching the chamber and will ride on the dots.
Here is a pict that shows them.
Maybe this will help!
“buttoning technique” ?
Sorry but I lack the knowledge here. Could you describe this?
Mike,
I bet the old buttoning technique used on springer pistons would work on the hammer and it is easy to do also. Might save you from having to make bushings and altering the weight of your hammer.
Thanks. I saw examples of people putting it on the breech slide but I didn’t like the idea to cut the ring and glue it. Was afraid it won’t last. It was way easier to make new hammer and proper O-ring slot.
Actually it worries me too. The hammer is polished for quite smooth surface but over time brass will propably work it’s way on aluminium. Anodized surface will hopefully provide little resistance. I will start designing that teflon-tube-inside-frame idea quite soon or implement somekind of teflon slides on hammer.
I wonder if it’s possible to perform teflon coating over hammer? That would be nice solution.
Mike I like the idea of putting the oring on the hammer itself.
Now I am wondering without synthetic material between the hammer and the frame do you think it will have a negative impact on the aluminum or hammer?
Rabbits; Thanks for compliments. Actually that has been already happened few times
I appreciate the requests but unfortunately I am not selling any mods. I let more skilled people to do that. I just like to share information and contribute on this forum. I have had so much good information from You guys so I feel good if I can give even something in return. well mate it,s good to another great designer and willing to share his stuff with the lads big thumbs up mate 😀
Perhaps. I got another idea. Anodized aluminium (frame) is not very good surface to slide anything no matter what. You can improve the other part only so much.
What if the frame surface is “replaced”? Make a tube from teflon with OD of frame ID and with 1mm wall thickness. Insert it inside frame. The hammer and breech slide needs to be little smaller but not that it matters. There would be perfect surface with almost no friction at all. And if and when it wears it is easy to replace (much easier than frame :D) . Maybe the spring needs to be little smaller (dia) also.
Think I’m gonna put that on my ideas-to-try list. Need to first see how it fits in 3D-model inside frame.
Rabbits; Thanks for compliments. Actually that has been already happened few times 😀
I appreciate the requests but unfortunately I am not selling any mods. I let more skilled people to do that. I just like to share information and contribute on this forum. I have had so much good information from You guys so I feel good if I can give even something in return.
Would some of that self oiling brass make a good hammer? If you skipped the Teflon.
mike mate u better watch mate or your going to end up with some amount off orders for your great work welldone mate 😀
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Ed Zachary what I was thinking of when reading this, then I got towards the bottom and you had already said it. I bet buttons would work good because there is no chance of any type of vacuum lock from a solid ring of teflon.
Now I have a question. This oring, is it on the face of the hammer to reduce the sound of the hammer knocking? Sorry if it’s a dumb question, I haven’t been at this Talon thing for long:)
Thanks,
Dan