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Evanix sniper valve redesign

Had an issue with the poppet vavlve of my evanix sniper recently, found a solution, which even might be an improvement and thought I’d share for you to benefit from my findings…
First of all and before starting, a big “thanks” to Wingman NZ for his advice concerning material choice. You made my day, week, month, my friend!

Ok, issue description: basically, after 500 or so rounds downrange, the Sniper had a slow air leak, loosing around 100 psi over night. After 20 more rounds, it became something like 100 psi a minute and 10 more rounds later the last 100 left the tube whithin a single second. Hisssssssss…..
Well, decided to tear down the rifle and found the reason quite quickly – poppet valve plastic rim seal worn out. Due to the construction of the valve, the metal ring touches the (also metal) valve seat.

Metal on metal, that ain’t sealin’ nothing…

Well, next step was to get rid of the worn plastic rim seal in the valve body and replace it with something else, better or at least equal.
As the stem wouldn’t move, I heated it up as I remember having read somewhere that it is locktited. Managed to get the stem screwed out (use a cloth when doing that, otherwise you damage the stem and valve body with your pliers and vise) and of course the plastic didn’ like the heat treatment too much.
Ordered Delrin and PEEK rods and new valve stem material and thought about a redesign with a complete plastic valve body, equal to Wingman’s pistol valves. Simply ordering a new valve wasn’t a solution as I believe that after a few hundred rounds the new one will have the same issue. Same for just making a new plastic rim seal insert of the Evanix design.
I then stumbled over a site in the UK selling delrin balls for ball bearings, 11mm diameter, perfect.

With these, the complete redesign was not necessary anymore, I changed plans towards adapting the balls (well… one of them) to the current valve body. Doing this, the outer rim of the valve body had to undergo a little modification as well, I wanted it to center the plastic part, but to have it less high so that part of the delrin seal covers the metal part (seen from the sealing side), in a way that even when worn, there was no chance for metal touching metal again.this way, even with the valve rod going through the Delrin, I have multiple surfaces for sealing and a maze/meander effect, making other sealing like o-rings unnecessary.

Ground down the rim of the valve body, but left 2 mm height for the maze and centering of the Delrin.
Lathed down the Delrin ball to shape so that it fits the new body, covering the outer rim.
Some pictures say more than a thousand words, I guess? OK, here we go…

Why using a ball shape by the way? Well, conic or ball- shape helps center the valve on the valve seat.

Cleaned the valve stem threads and polished the stem itself, as well as the metal part of the valve body. Then put everything together by screwing the stem in its original positon with the Delrin (ex-)ball in between.
Before assembling everything back, I also replaced the stem o-ring with resine material, this is a test how well this will work.

Looking at the ends of the valve return spring, I saw grinding marks and as everything was torn apart, I did some basic polishing, that can’ be bad anyway. At least it will prevent unneccessary marking on the valve body and tube outlet.

Reassembled the tube and valve and started pumping (yes, manual filling, great workout), and … hisssssss…, panic…
Told myself that this is due to the fact that the Delrin seal is not yet perfectly fitting the valve seat and would most probably have to wear in under pressure. While some air was still hissing out, I turned the valve stem a little, until the hiss got to the weakest possible point. Then started pumping again and somewhere in between 10 and 15 bar, the hiss stopped. Pumped up to 50 bar and decided to look into the other issues of this rifle before reassembly.

This resumes to changing all o-rings because all of the ones I saw during disassembly were damaged. Reason is that al drilled holes and threads have not been deburred by Evanix, therefore damaging the o-rings when passing in front during assembly. Deburred all holes, slipped on the new o-rings and assembled the whole thing.

After 24 hours, the whole 50 bars were still in, pumped up to 100 and dared some shots. Perfect sealing after every shot, no hisses. Shot until 90 bars and left the gun alone again. After another 48 hours, still 90 bars in, topped up to 200 and waited.

Well in the end, it’s shooting again, no leak at all since 2 weeks and some 100 rounds. As far as I can see things now, accuracy seems to have improved, as well. This remains to be proven on bigger distances (waiting for the wind to calm down to test and chrony).

Hope that gives some inspiration for similar issues.
Thanks for reading. Cheers

Mods/Machinists

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will do, hope to have some time to get it made in the not too distant future 🙂 want to re-barrel it as well

Please keep us posted how it works out.
My Delrin seal hasn’t leaked again so far…
Cheers

I replaced my sniper valve seal with PEEK, it really makes it hard to fill by hand, getting it to seal isn’t easy.

I ordered some PET-P, supposed to be in between Delrin and PEEK, haven’t had a chance to try it yet – been playing with my Dragon Claw

Hello Douglas,
I’ll definitely give it a try. I’m still at the beginning of my valve-building career, so definitely will soak up every piece of advice.
Cheers

quote Papa Schultz:

Hey tagdagger, thanks for the compliment, appreciate.

Douglas, thanks for the hint. I found through my research that Delrin is a brand name for POM. This exists as POM-C (copolymer) and POM-H (homopolymer). The second being tougher and used for the ball bearings. By design it’s way beefier now than the original, so hope it does the job for a while. I’ll check on that regularly and keep you informed.
Thank you in any case for sharing your recommendation on Ertalyte, I’ll test the material for sure once the current one fails. Is that a brand name like Delrin and if yes from which company? Would like to see what type of polymer is behind that.

I only know it by that name, and aside from its general properties, have not looked very closely at it. Google likely has lots of exactly what you seek…:D

There are a few things I have paid attention to when building valves. The strength to stand up to high seat loading, and its ability to seal up before pressure gets too high. Also, the amount of energy stored in the plastic( assuming no plastic deformation) which gives me a means of looking at how hard it is to get the valve off the seat…sooo, for the stuff I am building, PEEK looks best. On a moderately modified marauder valve, there are some sizes that still tolerate delrin…though for a few friends I have supplied them with poppets tipped in PEEk because they OE valve deformed too much( although relatively slowly), and this on stock limits for fill pressure and OE-sized seats.
cheers,
Douglas
cheers,
Douglas

Hey tagdagger, thanks for the compliment, appreciate.

Douglas, thanks for the hint. I found through my research that Delrin is a brand name for POM. This exists as POM-C (copolymer) and POM-H (homopolymer). The second being tougher and used for the ball bearings. By design it’s way beefier now than the original, so hope it does the job for a while. I’ll check on that regularly and keep you informed.
Thank you in any case for sharing your recommendation on Ertalyte, I’ll test the material for sure once the current one fails. Is that a brand name like Delrin and if yes from which company? Would like to see what type of polymer is behind that.

Delrin will likely do that again. Ertalyte is about midpoint between Delrin and PEEK, and priced comparable to Delrin. If you wind up having to do this again, try stronger plastic.
cheers,
Douglas

Those are some very good looking guns, but quality control is most important on the parts you cant see.

That is going help out a lot of people who are having similar issues.

Good work and a great fix there!

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