June 3, 2008 at 2:57 pm #2253
yesterday a shot wasn’t there for me so I go to disengage the hammer and did something a little different. I usually push and hold the breech open, click the safety wile holding the knob, squeeze the trigger and release the hammer. this time I just held the safety open and the hammer slid back with the breech. my question is this – is that normal for it to work that way and I’ve just mever noticed it before, or is something going on with my safety?June 3, 2008 at 3:19 pm #40000sotxguyParticipant
I un-cock the gun in the same manner as you. I could not duplicate what you’re doing. If I hold the safety open while pushing forward on the breech, the hammer remains locked under the sear until the trigger is pulled.June 3, 2008 at 3:23 pm #40001
that’s not what I wanted to hear. looks like I’ll have to take her apart and see what’s going on 😥June 3, 2008 at 3:52 pm #40002shrpshotr28Participant
do you have trigger stop screws installed? If so the “first stage” adjustment screw may have moved causing the sear to not engage properly. Until I loctited mine they would move on occasion and do exactly as you are saying.June 3, 2008 at 4:07 pm #40003
no stop screws, never needed them, the trigger has always been sweet with no need for adjustment,and the safety has always been easy to release with a very light push with the index finger. I always thought I was lucky with that, but perhaps not?June 3, 2008 at 6:09 pm #40006marcParticipant
Don’t take her appart. That’s perfectly normal although some guns have that itch while others don’t. It’s an inherent flaw in the trigger design.
Airforce uses a slotted hole in the hammer sear. That is the cause of all this trouble.
The hammer sear uses the sefety to slide into engagement. With the safety located differently it doen’t always engage. Moving the hammer sear spring forwards aids in the engagement but also wears on the hammer. It’s just something you need to learn to live with.
Something I noticed helps engagement of the hammersear is enlarging the recess in the breech.
Hope this helps??
MarcJune 3, 2008 at 11:19 pm #40021
Marc – thanks for the info but engaging the hammer is not the problem, (if their is a problem at all) it engages and holds just fine, and so far hasn’t fired on it’s own. this only happens when I push the breech past the safty lock (bottom it out), hold there, release (or click)and hold the safety(once again bottomed out), and slide the breech back to “decock” the gun.
if nobody’s gun is doing this but mine, then I’m thinking the sear is probably worn out, perhaps it can be saved, probably not, wasn’t their someone here making titanium trigger parts?
one good thing about it is I have been made aware of the fact that I’ve gotten into some bad habits with muzzle control, definitely something everyone should look at from time to timeJune 4, 2008 at 8:07 am #40036marcParticipant
All the Airforce Gunpower rifles I have had had that problem.
I remember back in the TOG days someone made Ti parts.
Ewoodie has some hardened 52HrC O1 toolsteel parts for sale, might be worth checking if your definitaly decide changing parts? But I wouldn’t be worried about what’s going with you trigger/safety
MarcJune 4, 2008 at 10:55 am #40038knifemakerParticipant
I would go with 01 tool steel hardened to 52 Rc before ti. Ti is only in the low 40’s. Not a good sear material at all.
MikeJune 5, 2008 at 5:24 am #40119riffraffParticipant
My Condor has always uncocked that way. Ive never had to pull the trigger to let the hammer down. I just push the breech fully forward as if cocking the gun, hold it there then push and hold the safety, then let the breech and hammer slide to the uncock position.
I never thought of it as a problem, it seemed normal to me.June 5, 2008 at 2:40 pm #40127
it’s good to hear that others can do it as well, it must just be that I just never noticed it before.
as long as it wont fire on it’s own it should be fine, I do think it’s a bit easer to do it that way.June 8, 2008 at 3:23 pm #40270shrpshotr28Participant
Cool. Just tried releasing the hammer as described. Hold hammer all the way forward, push and hold the safety, hammer/breech release easily and can let the bolt/breech “decock”. Works on all three of my guns. No more pulling the trigger to decock the gun.June 8, 2008 at 3:58 pm #40273
cool sharp, look as if all is normal then 😀 😀
It only took me.. what.. over 4 years to figure that out it could be done, and it happened by mistake, don’t figureJune 8, 2008 at 4:32 pm #40277sotxguyParticipant
Interesting, I can’t decock in that manner. I’ve tried holding the gun vertical muzzle up/down, horizontal and even upside down. The sear holds the hammer every time. I must press the trigger to decock it.
I have a fairly new TSS that was manufactured in 11/07 and has been to Talontunes. The safety was polished and releases very easily with trigger finger. Has something changed?June 9, 2008 at 9:05 pm #40360savagesamParticipant
I’ll throw in a whole new ball of monkey grease into this. My safety release is normal sometimes, other times it’s so hard to get it to release i think i’m going to break something or puncture my thumb. Any ideas on that one?
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