CHRONY RESULTS FOR TWO STOCK CONDORS 11 SHOT STRINGS
Ok guys I thought about how I wanted to do this write up last night from yesterdays outing and I think the best thing for me to do, being a rookie is just post up the results with no “interpretation” or anything. Just raw data and I hope you experts will look at it and offer your opinions and advice. Here we go. First, we have two scuba tanks that were freshly hydro/vis tested and charged to 3050-3100, while i was there i filled both bottles from the tank and he topped off the scuba before leaving. So, starting from two 3000psi fills we did the following……
the first string (actually only 5 shots) we used some crosman pointed hunting (cheap) pellets. We had the PW set as low as possible and were 4 feet from the chrony.
1. 683.9 2. 721.9 3. 726.6 4. 668.9 5. 706.8
now at six we adjusted the PW to 4 and fired one round to let it “settle” after the adjustment then..
6. 930.4 7. 930.5 8. 935.3 9. 942.3 10. 929.9……………Note on string two we also made an adjustment after the fifth shot (and one “settling” shot before going to the chrony again)between shot five and six we moved the PW to 5 all shots were now done using Beeman Crow Magnum pellets…………
1. 850.8 2. 877.4 3. 879.4 4. 858.0 5. 880.3 (PW5) 6. 929.1 7. 937.2 8. 904.5 9. 905.5 10. 964.7……..
On string three we started on 9 on the PW and went to max for shots six-ten…….1. 1113 2. 1105 3. 1110 4. 1102 5. 1108 (PW max.) 6. 1125 7. 1108 9. 1100 10. 1092
on string number four we went back to PW 9 and shot all ten at that setting……….1. 1077 2. 1071 3. 1053 4. 1047 5. 1038 6. 1031 7. 1026 8. 1016 9. 1012 10. 1013……….
I thought it would be a good idea to refill the tank between string four and five and right here i have a question, we’re assuming you can get an idea of remaining pressure in the bottle by watching where the gauge jumps to when you first crack open the valve?? (ours jumped to 1500) then we did a nice slow fill to 3000…….
string 5 was all on PW9 using Beeman Crow Magnums…..
1. 1063 2. 1052 3. 1043 4. 1048 5. 1047 6. 1089 7. 1108 8. 1103 9. 1102 10. 1114………..
Low=1043 High=1114 Avg.=1077 E.S.=71.66 S.D.=28.84……..
Now we switched to my Condor and it seems like mine doesn’t enjoy a full fill as much as my friends…….Using Crow Magnums and the PW set at 8……….
1. 803.7 2. 798.5 3. 826.2 4. 829.6 5. 808.7 6. 846.7 7. 837.3 8. 814.7 9. 846.6 10. 834.8…….
Low=798.5 High=846.7 Avg.=824.7 E.S.=48.26 S.D.=17.43………..
string two we moved the PW to 9……..
1. 908.3 2. 895.4 3. 932.5 4. 928.0 5. 933.8 6. 922.7 7. 939.5 8. 959.9 9. 972.8 10. 938.5………
Low=895.4 High=972.8 Avg.=933.1 E.S.=77.36 S.D.=22.29………….
string three PW9 Crow mags
1. 969.5 2. 1002 3. 986.0 4. 990.9 5. 986.3 6. 1011 7. 1011 8. 1033 9. 1043 10. 1032….
Low=969.5 High=1043 Avg.=1006 E.S.=74.24 S.D.=24.18………
String four PW9 all Crow Mags…………
1. 1043 2. 1012 3. 1048 4. 1051 5. 1035 6. 1049 7. 1041 8. 1033 9. 1056 10. 1046…..
Low=1012 High=1056 Avg.=1042 E.S.=44.80 S.D.=12.48……………
String 5 PW9 all Crow mags…….
1. 1054 2. 1035 3. 1042 4. 1051 5. 1035 6. 1037 7. 1034 8. 1028 9. 1033 10. 1031…….
Low=1028 High=1054 Avg.=1038 E.S.=26.80 S.D.=8.48…………
string six PW9 all Crow Mags………
1. 1026 2. 1026 3. 1028 4. 1012 5. 1016 6. 1011 7. 1013 8. 1004 9. 999.0 10. 997.8……..
Low=997.8 High=1028 Avg.=1013 E.S.=30.43 S.D.=11.09……….
PHEW! that seemed like work lol. It should be noted that the times the velocity numbers are the same that was not a typo. I want your opinions please.
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no probs, i’ll try it on my spare tank as soon as i get the chance.
Muzza, do me a favor and run some tests with the Kodiaks. 3000 fill/ p.w. 0/3000 fill p.w. 6/ 3000 fill p.w. 12. Also you might want to try adjusting your top hat to .070 and see how close you can get to 900-950 with the Kodiaks. I’m guessing here, but I think you MIGHT be wasting air at .09-.010. If you get a chance I’d appreciate it.
I am in love with this gun ! 😀 Dont tell the missus ! 😯
Seriuosly the condors are a great gun. The korean guns can match or even surpass the condor in raw velocity, but cannot even come close to high power consistent shots. As i showed above my gun is giving me 30 full power shots on setting 12. I am trying to get to a 100 metre range so i can do some real trajectory and accuracy testing. At the moment i am limited to 35 metres in my factory. The gun has produced an 11mm or just under half inch 5 shot group at that range, so i kow it can be accurate. That was with eun jins. I would like to shoot those at 900fps and try for best accuracy. Even the kodiaks are too fast to be super accurate. Might have a chance to do some shooting this weekend. A freind has found a property we can shoot on, might be able to bag some Rabbits and Ducks..
Those strings of yours look great!
I used a set of digital calipers to measure the distance of the top hat from the brass vlave body. I had bought a spare high flow tank with my condor so had 2 high flow tanks. The other night while looking through this forum i decided to measure the tophat. That when i discovered the discrepency between the 2 tanks. I tested the one that was set at .09 and it worked great, so i then adjusted the .12 tophat of the other tank to .09 as you suggested it was the factory setting. And as a result i posted the velocity string above. I cant quite get over how a) consistent the gun is and b) how i got a around 50fps.
This gun is stock apart from alittle polishing of the barrell.
I don’t know this to be a fact but it seems like .09 to .12 is a big spread for the top hat measurement? What are you using to measure it? What was your starting/factory or baseline measurement?
I did some more testing today Savagesam. This is with the tophat adjusted from .12 to .09.
All shots with H&N Silver Pro at 3000psi fill
1: 1093 2:899 3:799 4:1150 5:1150 6:1157 7:1158 8:1159 9:1153 10:1153 11:1158 12:1157 13:1164 14:1165 15:1149 16:1156 17:1154 18:1146 19:1141 20:1137 21:1128 22:1132 23:1124 24:1127 25:1105 26:1113 27:1102 28:1099 29:1097 30:1092
pressure had dropped to 1800psi
then tried kodiaks at a 2800psi fill
1:1078 2:1083 3:1096 4:1101 5:1095 6:1098 7:1108 8:1100 9:1094 10:1100 11:1090 12:1092 13:1096 14:1100 15:1090
then started getting way too excited an ran a 14 shot string with eun jins aagain at a 2800psi fill.
1:997 2:1002 3:995 4:1007 5:1005 6:1007 7:971 8:1008 9:943 10:953 11:961 12:978 13:979 14:978 ran out of eun jins.
i cant get over how much difference that little adjustmant of the tophat made ! I reckon i have gained 50fps and more shots ! 😮 am i a happy chappy now ! 😀
Thanks for taking the time to do that dave. 😀
Sorry about the delay, Sam, it’s been a busy week. But here’s your data on my spreadsheet and graph.
I think this is all pretty self explanatory, but if anyone has any questions, fire away :-). Later.
Dave
I do believe my gun does NOT shoot the Crow Mags well. Need more time to be sure though.
What is your stock top hat measurement?
Thanks,
Mike17670
Hey mike when I’m sure I know how to accurately measure it, I’ll let you know.
Sam,
What is your stock top hat measurement?
Thanks,
Mike17670
Nice job, Sam, and you’re right, it gets to be a lot of work. Couple of things right off. First, yes, that jump when you first start refilling is a good indication of pressure left. Second, with your current top hat setting, your gun does NOT like a 3K psi fill. That string 5 with Crow Mags was pretty damn nice, and the two strings on either side were pretty decent, too. If you were to consider that the “sweet spot”, I’m guessing a bit, but I’d say you’re best fill is somewhere between 2300 and 2500 psi. I suspect that at 2500 psi, your numbers will be about at the string 3 point, with 30 to 40 really good shots on tap. I’ll try to get some time later today to transfer your data to that spreadsheet I was talking about and post if for you. It’s set up to also graph the shot string, which is a cool way to see the results.
Now with that all said, you won’t be able to hit crap with Crow Mags at that velocity :-)! You might be able to hit the broad side of a barn, but only if you were standing inside the barn. I’d urge you to lay in a good supply of Kodiaks and Eun Jins and do it all over again. Either one will be much better at those velocities, and the consistency will probably go up as well. I know, others like Crosmans or JSB’s, but the Condor just has too much punch for the lighter pellets, IMO. Again, nice job, and I’ll get back to you later.
Dave
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Right on. Thanks.