November 2, 2007 at 6:21 pm #711
I will be plinking, target shooting (not seriously), and hunting with my Talon SS. I just found out the Talon SS comes in .20. I thought I was going to get .177 because with a well placed shot, I will be able to take out racoons. A .20 would be better for hunting, but I also want to make very accurate shots at 40 yards for plinking and target shooting. What do you think I should get. Does anyone have a pellet trajectory animation or calculator to see the difference in drop at a certain distance and power between .177 .20 and .22 (the weights of the same pellets in these calibers)?
ThanksNovember 2, 2007 at 6:59 pm #27054
Screw that wussy .177. And while .20 is nice pellet selection is slim. Get the .22 and shoot CP’s or Kodiaks and you will be set. Buy your pellets from Pyramid air and buy 3 and get on free.
These guns are more efficient and are better in .22 or .25.November 2, 2007 at 7:09 pm #27056ambush-hunterParticipant
Coons are tough! .22 or .25 will do it in the head. The flatest one and the best for FT shooting is .177
God bless PCPs, because heavier .22 slugs out of a PCP go just as flat as light .177 ones out of springers. Weigh up your needs and abilities and see what application you really need it for. Sometimes it’s a good idea to have a couple of other rifles suitable for different applications. For instance, I have a RWS850 in .22 for a close range pest control (10-30 yards), an AATX200HC in .177 for FT shooting and pest control out to 50 yards. My next project would be a .25 Condor for the long range work (out to 100 meters). And then…I’ll be broke. 😥November 2, 2007 at 7:12 pm #27057sacshooterParticipant
I have been playing with chairgun2. you can find it here:
It has helped answer a few of my questions.
RogerNovember 2, 2007 at 9:54 pm #27065
Ohhhh boyyy. Is .22 worse for accuracy at longer distances or worse period? I don’t understand why a flatter trajectory is more accurate. I would think it’s just a matter of adjusting your scope so the barrel is aimed higher. I wan’t an accurate gun! Is there a major difference between .177 and .22 as far as accuracy goes?November 2, 2007 at 10:18 pm #27067quote jooleyen:
NO. .22 is just as accurateNovember 2, 2007 at 10:50 pm #27069
If that’s true, that’s great. Can you explain, Adam?November 2, 2007 at 11:42 pm #27070
The diameter of your projectile does not determine its accuracy. .177 is great for punching paper or FT but it you really want a can to jump or your prey to drop quickly a bigger piece of lead works better.November 3, 2007 at 12:07 am #27071
Oh, so .177 is better for paper punching because of measurements? It makes a smaller, cleaner hole?November 3, 2007 at 12:24 am #27075quote jooleyen:
smaller hole easier to measure. In ft smaller pellets fit have a better chance making it into the hole without nicking the side of it.November 3, 2007 at 12:34 am #27077
If the pellet selection for .20 was the same as .22, would you think .20 would be a good choice?November 3, 2007 at 12:35 am #27078akulaParticipant
jool; Impact (energy) at the target has much to do with the ability of a bullet to do it’s job. A .22 traveling at the same speed as a .177 will be more capable of doing its job. More power at the target; Second, penetration, a .22 of heavier weight than a .117 will penetrate much better than a lighter pellet. Third, if two projectiles are traveling at the same speed, one heavier than the other, the heavier one travels further.
No kidding, that’s physics for you. AKULANovember 3, 2007 at 2:19 pm #27104davedParticipantquote AKULA:
And retains more energy. What are you calling accurate? I have an SS with different barrels, a 12″ .177 and a 24″ .22. Both do very well with Kodiaks, both can easily maintain sub 1/2″ at 30 yards (my best, not the gun), and both pack plenty of punch without sacrificing shot count. The .177 is set up for about 20 fpe, the .22 is around 40 fpe, I get 40 or more full power shots out of either. And I can go a lot more than 40 without any significant shift in POI. If you’re primary purpose is punching paper, get a .177, pellets are a lot cheaper, and it will still have plenty of power for small (squirrel, rabbit, birds) game. Otherwise, go for the .22.
DaveNovember 3, 2007 at 11:03 pm #27119steveinlaParticipant
I played with .20 caliber. The tie breaker for me was the simple fact that .22 caliber pellets make BIGGER holes! I have found .22 caliber to be very accurate..like one hole accurate.
BIGGER HOLES! 😀
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