Because I’m sick of seeing the lies about me…
…. start showing up on the Yellow OT lounge I figured I’d post MY side of the story seems dragon is hellbent on using DNC’s mistakes as a tool agaisnt me and this site.
I made SEVERAL posts on TOG explaining the situation with no malice towards DON or TOG, I simply wanted to warn people about what happened. But those posts were deleted and replaced by Don and DNC’s spin on it…
I figured I’d post it here too because it wouldnt get deleted and guys who visit both sites would at least get my side of the story.
Here’s the Post on TOG I made.
Don,
I NEVER said I wanted your site, I NEVER had a plan to take it from you. DNC Pmmed me, I asked him why Lama was banned, he said he didnt know but he was REALLY mad about it and had thought about deleting the site etc (I didnt take that seriously, he never planned on doing that, he was just mad and venting). I told him that it would be quite funny (to me anyway..) if you were forced to sit back and leave the darn delete key alone for a week…… meaning take your power away from you for a week. Maybe you would see that the TOG does just fine without people being banned and that the fusses and the arguments all stop after a few days without people being banned or posts deleted. DNC then asked me what the plan was. I said I didnt know. He then told me that he knew something was going on, because he had hacked into someones PM’s and if I didnt tell him, he would just do it again. I was very annoyed that he hacked into peoples accounts and told him that I would be telling everyone about it, because I felt it was a serious problem. His reply was that I was trying to blackmailing him and he was going to come clean…. which he kinda did with a little bit of spin to make me look bad.
His “coming clean” post here was only HALF the story. Mr_Lama revealed the rest of the story – That DNC had not only hacked into some peoples PM’s, but that he had copied the ENTIRE password file and could and HAD retrived several prominent members passwords and login as them several weeks before the whole incident that lead to myself, Adam, Tony, Steven and the other Ross. Not only that, but he actually GAVE some passwords to lama to prove this fact. This was NOT dont maliciously by DNC I dont think, but was just a 17 year old kid doing what they do.. thinking they are clever and bragging to a freind. As soon as the WHOLE story came out all of a sudden the post DNC made was deleted by DNC and he removed his mod abilities…. Quit a sudden exit for someone who was innocent…
If you want to believe the 17 year old kid that got caught with his hand in the cookie jar whose best interest it would be to concoct a story to make himself look less of a moron than he was so be it. You’ll likely delete this post anyway and then you’ll be able to change history of tog and pretend like this never happened and Yellow was the bad guy….
The above has nothing to do with the problems between me and you. I resent people trying to use it to smear me !
The Yellow Ninja
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Adam, thanks for that info… Hey, I missed the whole thing, so I’m still catching up with it…
That Russian analogy really is fitting. Thanks for giving your view as to what was happening. And we are really happy to see you and everyone else
Thanks!
I thank you…
I was seriously getting scared these last few weeks that the TOG would die a slow but steady death, with the way it was being run.
I felt like a Russian farmer back in the soviet days, posts disappearing everywhere, people being silenced, previous statements of the owner being removed, it really felt like old school disinformation, censorship and propaganda. It’s quite scary when one minute you’re reading posts with a little criticism, and the next minute the entire topic is gone, it made me feel really uncomfortable.
I thank you for creating a new place for us to just say whatever the hell we feel like saying ^_^
It also seems like that in this short time we’ve been here, there’s a lot of info being shared, I like that a lot, there wasn’t that much sharing going on anymore on the TOG, at least not as much as before.
Don’s stories just do not make sense….(LONG STORY of the fight) and I think he makes them up to rationalize what he has done. And if it is true Denskin fed Don a story then it is sad, because he had no idea what was going on. Don never liked me due to the fact when he asked for an open forum discussion on matters I gave him my opinion. He did not like it that it was contrary to his. But the facts are he removed many of the changes he initially made and put the TOG back to the way I recommended.
When Don started a campaign against Anthony266 and start to drag his reputation through the mudd on the open forum I would not tolerate it. Anthony would not take Dons bait and fight with him on the open forum and be lured into a lopsided power struggle. He sat quietly as Don daily used his power an influence to do harm to Anthony’s character and reputation. I could not take it anymore so I started to inquire as to the false claims being made against Anthony and we all saw they were just that FALSE. But Don was more then happy to use anything to damage Anthony. Don had a grudge against Anthony back from the Oykas days. Don even stated when he bought the TOG he would bury the hatchet with Anthony and not hold a grudge, well we all know where he buried it, in Anthony’s back.
As Don was posting daily about Anthony I stood up to Don with the facts. He did not like that and kept slapping me down trying to shut me up. I at no time swore at Don or called him names. I was debating with him giving him points of facts that he was not aware that I knew. Anthony was watching all of this and was grateful I was the only one to step in to defend him at the time. So he sent me a copy of a PM he sent to Don showing what he said to Don. Within minutes of Anthony sending the PM to Don, Anthony was deleted. Not only deleted, he and his 2600+ post and all related post instantly disappeared from the TOG. Don made the claim Anthony had threaten him in a PM. Well since I too had that same PM sent to me I knew the truth and confronted Don with it. Teflon Tron quickly jumped into the debate and told Don deleting accounts is not the way to handle the situation. Now remind you in all of this Anthony would not be baited into a confrontation with Don on an open forum and so Don was finally able to act on his old grudge and besmirch Anthony and delete him from TOG history. Anthony was a founding member and moderator of the TOG.
Now on the forum ,Teflon Tron and I Walk on king, we were able to question Dons methods and tactics on the deletion of Anthony and Don would not have it. He kept making accusation against Anthony and I kept reminding him I knew what Anthony wrote him in the PM. What Anthony wrote and Don claimed as a threat was this statement “Don, people in the airgun community have emailed me and told me they are disappointed on how this is being handled and they will be watching the situation”. Don went ballistic and claimed that Anthony threatened him. When I confronted Don and saying I knew what Anthony had said to him he went ballistic on me threatening me with deletion and then he deleted the entire thread showing I knew what was said.
Teflon Tron was right there making points and trying to tell Don there are better ways of dealing with things. He got threatened by Don with deletion several times. Tron did not like what Don was doing and was simply trying to discuss the matter as Don had promised all these matters would be discussed on the open forum. He did not swear at Don and neither had I . If Don had not asked for feedback and opinions I never would have said anything nor would have tron on the open forum. But since Don was making Anthony a matter of discussion on the open forum I went for it. Now, I really had only talked to Anthony a few times over the years. We were cordial but that was it. I did not stick up for Anthony because he was a close friend I did it because he was being dragged through the town square and getting beat up by a bully and everyone watched with no help in sight, it was not their fight and I understand that they did not want to get deleted, so I jumped in and confronted Don on his actions and then Teflon Tron jumped in then YN resigned as Dons Chief Moderator over the matter and jumped into the fight as well and the Poor Lama was also deleted simply for standing to close to those who challenged Don.
As these matters were unfolding we planned on starting a new forum to go to. He could delete us and thousands of post we made on the TOG, but he can not stop us from hanging out with our like minded Talon loving friends. Many of you saw what was going on and watch this train wreck unfold and started to jump off and Don still does not understand it was his public berating of Anthony that led to this entire mess. If he and kept his grudge with Anthony an off forum matter and not used his power to due so in public none of this would have happen. If Don were smart he could have banned Anthony quietly behind the scenes and that would have been that. But it was the public humiliation of Anthony that was his goal and a couple of his toadies danced around in glee giving him high fives.
Almost the entire TOG active membership have been in contact with me or YN, Tron and Anthony as well as Lama, lending us their support of the situation. We love these guys and welcome them all. You all know us and we have talked for years. I hope to continue and keep the spirit going and provide a place with the help of Anthony and others like Tron, YN, Lama and all of you guys where we can come and have a good time visiting, joking and discussing guns and other nonsense and can feel safe doing so.
So ends my long winded post.
Thanks and Long live the Talon Airgun Forum!
I certainly don’t have any hard feelings towards Daneil.
Looks like it’s all there.
I don’t know where don came up with the story he put on tog. In his post, he said that “YN came clean to denskin” about everything.
I got blamed too. I don’t know how that works. 😛 I never heard about anything. Dnc told me about the plan to leave. (he never said anything about a plan to take over either). I told him to keep his mouth shut about that. But after he talked to YN, and got mad, he posted about it.
So I figured, if he’s going to post, why not me too. So I did, through gamebred’s account (I got my password from dnc). He didn’t find that funny, and it made people even madder. So he banned himself.
Should we bring him over and make him a moderator here?
😛
Thank you for telling us the truth N this is the reason we all need you! You are an intelligent individual with maturity and above all honor. Yes you and I have danced a bit but debate is what makes a forum work. I for one would see you departure as a loss for all, but like you said stepping back a little is understood you have put so much time and effort into things and got royally shafted you deserved better but the key thing is you have our collective respect.
Thanks YN hats off to you!
Randy
Yellow Ninja we have banged head on more then one occasion and we always would getting each others goat and strangling that goat until it eyes popped out! But not for one minute in a million years did I ever think the TOG administrators would turn on you like they did. You had over 3500 post which link to even to more post and the help you supplied was price less and irreplaceable. It is now gone forever due to someone have the power to push the button and delete you an other long term members and moderators. That was B.S. plain an simple.
Thank you for providing a first hand account of what occurred and your efforts are not forgotten by all the good people of the TOG and those who are with us here. We need your input and skills to get back to normal.
Thanks and believe me many people have contacted me and are furious with what Dragon did to you. We are appreciated by a lot of airgunners.
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I’m still gonna be here, but I’m not going to post as much I dont think (Partly because its a lot more work in the Yellow style forum.).
There wont be anymore rambling or hijacking or any merry high jinx type posts I don’t think.
I was trying not to do the Dennis thing with a “I’m leaving” (I’m not..), But I certainly need some time AFK and doing some “real” stuff around my house and workshop.