January 9, 2008 at 9:22 pm #1245txwatcher91Participant
the Mythbusters episode where they test the myth of a person being shot and killed with a bullet made of ice? They were using what looked like a .223, but the heat from the gunpowder was melting the ice bullet before it even came out of the barrel, and so the myth was busted. However, they never tested an air rifle to see if that would work. If you made an ice bullet, say for the condor, would the condor be able to shoot one, and would the ice melt from the friction of the barrel?January 9, 2008 at 9:48 pm #31294camotes2Participant
A larger bullet .45acp. for example, at 500 fps. it only takes 1/250 of a second to get out of a 24″ barrel not long enough to melt is it? probably not too accurate. Put a type of wad under to bullet for insulation, and it also will act as a gasket. We have done this for years to get speed out of lead bullets, or to get higher speeds from soft alloy. Also remember a .223 is a whole lot more violent than an airgun or .45acp. so their ice bullet test failed so as not to give anyone a stealthy idea of a sinister nature??January 9, 2008 at 10:05 pm #31296dncParticipant
I sent them an email. Maybe they will use a condor and re-test the myth.
firstname.lastname@example.orgJanuary 9, 2008 at 10:52 pm #31304teflontronParticipant
I think that a crossbow bolt made out of ice would be much more effective.January 9, 2008 at 11:01 pm #31306
So the CSI meat bullet episode is your typical Jerry Bruckhiemer fantasy land crap…
Boy that guy is like the old CHiPs show where every car overturns and catches fire instantly, when in reality it is 1 in 12 rollovers that actually catch fire…
Ice Sabot, I like the sound of that… 😆
Have you seen the one where a fire is started by an ice magnifying lens… Pretty cool!!!January 9, 2008 at 11:41 pm #31307
I saw that episode….The final cartridge they were using looked like a 7 or 8 mm mauser round….the frozen jello idea was about right on target but I don’t think they were smart enough to pay attention to the weight of the projectile as compared to an actual copper/lead bullet. They were using a standard bullet mold. A jello bullet might be around 55 gr while a regular 7 or 8mm bullet is around 150 or 160 gr.. The frozen projectile would have to be very long to retain enough weight. Then you come into the problem of case capacity and powder. A very long projectile would require a reduced charge and this info is hard to come by for alot of cartridges…Another option would have been to add lead or tungsten dust to the mixture.Personally I think the network did’nt want them to prove it.. Of course I get i’ll every time they do a firearm myth. Not bragging but I could prove them wrong on a number of cases as I am sure alot of others here could do as well….Ohhh Yeh Tron like your idea but how about a magnetic rail gun with ice bullet made from high iron content water…hmmmmm….January 10, 2008 at 12:06 am #31310
I bet your right J3, I wouldn’t want the public knowing it is possible either…January 10, 2008 at 1:09 pm #31362bodhisdadParticipantquote synopsys:
Gotta ask yourself whats the point of a frozen projectile? As many of those myths explored could be adapted for sinister exploitations if one is so inclined.
No round is left after melting so it can’t be traced back to a given rifle/pistol barrel, correct? Any other reason why a frozen projectile would be used.
Didn’t catch the episode, but if such a thing was viable wouldn’t you use liquid nitrogen to freeze the projectile? Its sounds as if they were pulling icecubes out of the freezer. Without seeing the episode they may well have done this, or answered my question above. Gunpowder doesn’t sound viable, but the liquid nitro might be able to freeze a liquid object hard/cold enough to withstand the heat. An Air powered frozen projectile sounds much more viable, would have been interesting to see the show.
Did you send them a pic of a really nice AF rig, maybe one of Tony’s? Just seeing the gun should get those 2 worked up. Buster might have a bad day with a .25 condor. Then again do we want the general public to know that our backyard AGs have half/third the power of a .22lr 😕 Not to mention near silent on top of it all. Then theirs CygsX’s monster 😈January 10, 2008 at 1:21 pm #31363
Yeh, if i remember correctly they did use liquid nitro to do the job… They were trying to bust a movie myth…Can’t remember which one but it showed a guy using a 338 or 50 bmg with a ice bullet. yeh the only purpose would be to have is disapear…. But I’m sure the crew at CSI Miami could trace the water sample back to a small specific area or find traces of the rifling on a bone fragment and catch the bad guy …..roflmao….January 10, 2008 at 2:13 pm #31365bodhisdadParticipant
Tis why i watch so little TV. The movies i tend to indulge in are bad enough 😆January 10, 2008 at 10:25 pm #31393txwatcher91Participant
The reason from the movie was so that the round could not be traced back to the rifle since the ice would melt. We should get everyone on here to e-mail mythbusters and see if they would test this myth with the condor.
So, back to the original question, would a condor be able to shoot an ice bullet accurately, and deadly, at distances under 50 yards? Sounds like an experiment for Mr. Lama to test… 😉January 10, 2008 at 10:56 pm #31395
I don’t see any issues with it not working out of an AG except for eventually rusting the barrel…
I agree with your second part of your question, with an AG would one get the penetration sufficient enough at say 20 yards to kill, hurt or mame is as good as leaving the weapon with prints and the casing at the scene… 😕
That may bust the myth with an AG…January 12, 2008 at 4:30 am #31509get-the-blue-jayParticipantquote j3magnum:
their are some things they just can’t let the menacing youth of today catch on to.
That reminds me – Lama, take off the thinking cap and leave it alone ❗January 12, 2008 at 5:54 pm #31549
I agree completely,, But there are some that don’t relate to being a menace…for example the diving under water to escape a bullet..in thier test they compared a 50 bmg to a 30-06…the first test was firing straight down into about a 8ft deep tank (that was sealed and no place to vent the escaping gases)and a 12 gauge slug did penetrate ballistic gell. Since they busted the tank the next test was conducted in a swimming pool…I could go on here but the main idea is that there are alot of variables to take into account. To say that you can dive under water a few feet and escape a 30-06 or a 50 bmg round is exagerated…A 750 grain bullet moving at the same speed as a 180 grain bullet does not have the same penetration. But when you fire them point blank at a 30 degree angle, Hell yeh thier both gonna fragment…Now lets get 30 feet up in the air and fire down at 50-60 degrees and see what happens…. a person would have to be fairly deep under the water for the projectile to no longer be dangerous… add more distance to that and the disruption on the bullet is less and penetraion more up to a given point…January 12, 2008 at 8:46 pm #31559airgunnerParticipant
Right, and what about the episode where they showed that you could shoot a gun in a plane ‘pressurized’ and it wouldn’t really do much, but put a lilttle bullet hole in the window or the air frame. What they failed to do was put a neg pressure outside the plane @ the same time they pressurized the inside of the plane. You see, @ 35,000 feet, the pressure outside the plane is only 4psi and inside the plane it is pressurized about 14 PSI, the pressure inside the plane is considerably higher than the outside which is what causes the plane to ‘explode’ open @ the site of penetration, as well as the neg pressure effect of the 500 MPH air rushing past the hole and ‘sucking’ the plane open.
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