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  • #1703
    cadeau
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    My Condor has been sick for awhile and I think I finally found it’s fault.
    When ever I take a shot I feel a burst of air at the breech. I have found out that air is passing between the top hat and the stem of the bottle. How do I seal it up ?

    #35546
    walkonking
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    You can contact Airforce and tell them. Hopefully they will fix it under warranty and give you a new valve with a oring mod.

    #35583
    cadeau
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    Here’s what is happening when I fire the Condor.

    #35654
    cadeau
    Participant

    Ok I was 100% sure that the tophat 0-ring was the leaking culprit but it turned out I was 100% wrong 😳

    I pulled the valve stem and I found only half an o-ring in the brass cap. So that does explain why it seemed like the tophat o-ring was defective but further disassembly proved not so.

    So now I am 110% positive the burst of air I was feeling upon firing the Condor is coming from the defective brass cap o-ring.

    #37439
    savagesam
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    quote WalkonKing:

    You can contact Airforce and tell them. Hopefully they will fix it under warranty and give you a new valve with a oring mod.

    What is the “o-ring” mod? Do new factory guns come with it?

    #37445
    sotxguy
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    The newer tanks have the O-ring that cadeau identified as failing. It’s my understanding the original tanks had no O-ring and always leaked. I have a new tank and it still leaks right out of the box. I recall seeing somewhere on this site Tony posted a before and after pic of this mod and the O-rings used. It’s a big difference in O-rings

    #37449
    savagesam
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    quote Sotxguy:

    The newer tanks have the O-ring that cadeau identified as failing. It’s my understanding the original tanks had no O-ring and always leaked. I have a new tank and it still leaks right out of the box. I recall seeing somewhere on this site Tony posted a before and after pic of this mod and the O-rings used. It’s a big difference in O-rings

    Can you hear it or do you use soapy water or how do you know it’s leaking?

    #37466
    sotxguy
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    SAVAGESAM – I should have clarified the “O-ring mod” is one performed by a tuner not Airforce. Airforce did improve on it’s design, but as cadeau found out it doesn’t last

    #37467
    sotxguy
    Participant

    SAVAGESAM – I should have clarified the “O-ring mod” is one performed by a tuner not Airforce. Airforce did improve on it’s design, but as cadeau found out it doesn’t last

    #37619
    cadeau
    Participant
    quote SAVAGESAM:

    quote Sotxguy:

    The newer tanks have the O-ring that cadeau identified as failing. It’s my understanding the original tanks had no O-ring and always leaked. I have a new tank and it still leaks right out of the box. I recall seeing somewhere on this site Tony posted a before and after pic of this mod and the O-rings used. It’s a big difference in O-rings

    Can you hear it or do you use soapy water or how do you know it’s leaking?

    When I fire my Condor I feel a small blast of air if my hand is near the breech. It’s actually quite a bit of air too.

    #37636
    savagesam
    Participant
    quote cadeau:

    quote SAVAGESAM:

    quote Sotxguy:

    The newer tanks have the O-ring that cadeau identified as failing. It’s my understanding the original tanks had no O-ring and always leaked. I have a new tank and it still leaks right out of the box. I recall seeing somewhere on this site Tony posted a before and after pic of this mod and the O-rings used. It’s a big difference in O-rings

    Can you hear it or do you use soapy water or how do you know it’s leaking?

    When I fire my Condor I feel a small blast of air if my hand is near the breech. It’s actually quite a bit of air too.

    When was yours made? Mine was made 01/08. Today will be my first time hunting with it. I will see if mine leaks.

    #37638
    cygnus-x-d82
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    the brass cap has an oring sealing it to the valvebody…if this is defective you would have constant leak

    since you only feel air when firing couple of causes

    1 the old condor valve has no oring around the stem, and a small amount of air will allways leak out this way, with AF sloppy tolerances…and you could be unlucky having one with a loose fitting stem, more air could get out than a tight but free moving stem

    2 the new valves have an oring….again if the stem is undersized air could get out…..

    3 air could get out through the threads of the tophat where it screws on to the stem….this should be very little if any, and i dont think its the cause…you can try give the threads some blue loctite to seal them off

    4 your breech orings could be worn, and air escaping there if the barrel oring is leaking the air will come out on that side of the breech, and you should be able to feel where its comming from

    if its the breech tophat oring thats leaking you would feel that in your face

    another thing that could be happening is the breech jumping of tophat as the rifle is shot…if not all the way off, a little bit would make it seem like air is getting out…remember to tilt the cocking handle to one side to lock it against the frame

    if its just ever so slight leak…its probably fine, and normal…if its a large puff of air…something is wrong….

    #37717
    sotxguy
    Participant

    Quote “if its the breech tophat oring thats leaking you would feel that in your face”

    A Good test to check for leaks around the stem is to use wooden kitchen match or Butane lighter with a 1” flame. Hold it around 1~11/2” away from the gap formed by the breech and air tank. Dry fire the gun. If leading, the air pulse with blow out the flame. That’s how I found out my was leaking.

    #37842
    cadeau
    Participant

    Well I recieved the inner 0-ring on the brass cap from Airforce today. I installed it and tested it out. It works great now ! No leak detected what so ever now when I fire it. Before I could feel a significant blast of air around the breech when fired. I’m all fixed up and shootin again 😀

    here’s the culprit

    #38110
    knifemaker
    Participant

    My SS is bad about it! Wonder if AF does the o ring for them. If not. May be a Condor valve is in order. Shame as she id very consistant!

    Mike

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