March 8, 2008 at 6:02 am #1703
My Condor has been sick for awhile and I think I finally found it’s fault.
When ever I take a shot I feel a burst of air at the breech. I have found out that air is passing between the top hat and the stem of the bottle. How do I seal it up ?March 8, 2008 at 6:50 am #35546walkonkingParticipant
You can contact Airforce and tell them. Hopefully they will fix it under warranty and give you a new valve with a oring mod.March 9, 2008 at 1:50 am #35583
Here’s what is happening when I fire the Condor.March 11, 2008 at 1:14 am #35654
Ok I was 100% sure that the tophat 0-ring was the leaking culprit but it turned out I was 100% wrong 😳
I pulled the valve stem and I found only half an o-ring in the brass cap. So that does explain why it seemed like the tophat o-ring was defective but further disassembly proved not so.
So now I am 110% positive the burst of air I was feeling upon firing the Condor is coming from the defective brass cap o-ring.April 9, 2008 at 4:13 pm #37439quote WalkonKing:
What is the “o-ring” mod? Do new factory guns come with it?April 9, 2008 at 5:02 pm #37445
The newer tanks have the O-ring that cadeau identified as failing. It’s my understanding the original tanks had no O-ring and always leaked. I have a new tank and it still leaks right out of the box. I recall seeing somewhere on this site Tony posted a before and after pic of this mod and the O-rings used. It’s a big difference in O-ringsApril 9, 2008 at 5:12 pm #37449quote Sotxguy:
Can you hear it or do you use soapy water or how do you know it’s leaking?April 9, 2008 at 9:49 pm #37466
SAVAGESAM – I should have clarified the “O-ring mod” is one performed by a tuner not Airforce. Airforce did improve on it’s design, but as cadeau found out it doesn’t lastApril 9, 2008 at 9:50 pm #37467
SAVAGESAM – I should have clarified the “O-ring mod” is one performed by a tuner not Airforce. Airforce did improve on it’s design, but as cadeau found out it doesn’t lastApril 12, 2008 at 12:44 am #37619quote SAVAGESAM:
When I fire my Condor I feel a small blast of air if my hand is near the breech. It’s actually quite a bit of air too.April 12, 2008 at 12:59 pm #37636quote cadeau:
When was yours made? Mine was made 01/08. Today will be my first time hunting with it. I will see if mine leaks.April 12, 2008 at 1:42 pm #37638cygnus-x-d82Participant
the brass cap has an oring sealing it to the valvebody…if this is defective you would have constant leak
since you only feel air when firing couple of causes
1 the old condor valve has no oring around the stem, and a small amount of air will allways leak out this way, with AF sloppy tolerances…and you could be unlucky having one with a loose fitting stem, more air could get out than a tight but free moving stem
2 the new valves have an oring….again if the stem is undersized air could get out…..
3 air could get out through the threads of the tophat where it screws on to the stem….this should be very little if any, and i dont think its the cause…you can try give the threads some blue loctite to seal them off
4 your breech orings could be worn, and air escaping there if the barrel oring is leaking the air will come out on that side of the breech, and you should be able to feel where its comming from
if its the breech tophat oring thats leaking you would feel that in your face
another thing that could be happening is the breech jumping of tophat as the rifle is shot…if not all the way off, a little bit would make it seem like air is getting out…remember to tilt the cocking handle to one side to lock it against the frame
if its just ever so slight leak…its probably fine, and normal…if its a large puff of air…something is wrong….April 13, 2008 at 10:39 pm #37717
Quote “if its the breech tophat oring thats leaking you would feel that in your face”
A Good test to check for leaks around the stem is to use wooden kitchen match or Butane lighter with a 1” flame. Hold it around 1~11/2” away from the gap formed by the breech and air tank. Dry fire the gun. If leading, the air pulse with blow out the flame. That’s how I found out my was leaking.April 16, 2008 at 1:29 am #37842
Well I recieved the inner 0-ring on the brass cap from Airforce today. I installed it and tested it out. It works great now ! No leak detected what so ever now when I fire it. Before I could feel a significant blast of air around the breech when fired. I’m all fixed up and shootin again 😀
here’s the culpritApril 21, 2008 at 8:22 am #38110knifemakerParticipant
My SS is bad about it! Wonder if AF does the o ring for them. If not. May be a Condor valve is in order. Shame as she id very consistant!
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